DISQUS

Matthew · 2 years ago

What an inspiration. I want to share this reality with all Americans. Is there a way I can post this on my myspace account?

jgilliam · 2 years ago

Matthew-
If you click on the "LiveLeak" link underneath the video, there is an embed code for myspace on that page.

Ninure · 2 years ago

Wow...

I wish I could move to Norway.

MikeInSanJose · 2 years ago

They didn't talk about recidivism rate or what the next level of punishment or incarceration is for repeat offenders. That's gonna be the republican's chief line of attack if they hear about this. "How can they let this guy, this murderer, go to work among the general population? What happens WHEN (not 'if') he loses his temper and kills again?"

I wonder if I could go visit Norway, commit a crime, and get the same deal those criminals got... cuz it sux trying to make a living in the US.

Joel · 2 years ago

Notice that there were no ethnic minorities shown in the clip? That's because Norway is one of the most racist countries in the world. Nice little Utopia, huh.

Sealight · 2 years ago

How could Moore have possibly overlooked this Paradise. Note that most of the video time was spent on the Island of prisoners. The segment was so long that I thought Michael Moore and the Crew were going to move in with the double chain saw murderer and the pedophile. What a lovely place.

Barbara · 2 years ago

I'm curious about their immigration policy and
population numbers.

evilroy · 2 years ago

Like all liberals Moore says things like " . . .the gov't will buy you a ____ . . .", and " . . .____ is paid for by the gov't". Where do you people think the gov't gets ALL of it's money? From it's citizens as taxes at the end of a gun. There is a finite amount of money in America, and we earn ALL of it. What would you think about a person who brags about the fact that they get all their bills paid for by their parents--and their parents get the money by robbing banks? Is that an admirable person? What's the difference between that and a gov't forcibly relieving citizens of their money and giving it to others?

Skyephoenix · 2 years ago

No one FORCES the Norwegians. Did you even watch this evilroy? And the comment about "natzis" we see the intelligence level of the right. Unfortunately you Cannot immigrate, if fact you can't even become a citizen through marriage. Do you consider African or Latin American countries racist for not having Anglos, Joel? Low population (with good birth control policies and high support for education) and yes they tax -the filthy rich. Taxes for the average Norwegian are LOWER than the US when the free gov't services are factored in. It is the parasite 5% of super rich that could be taxed to provide for the lowest 20% here.The only bad thing is the weather -cold-and they don't allow Americans to immigrate-we're the Mexicans to them. So much for "love it or leave it."

Sp · 2 years ago

Mike in SanJose- With that consciousness I see why the US rate of incarceration is @20 times ANY OTHER COUNTRY per capita. Recidivism is high because prisons are a corporate business. One goes back to prison for "association" (being seen withanother felon even one's spouse, or having a beer in your house, or forgetting to call in at the right time. You are clueless and probly believe the Fox News that "prisons are like country clubs" They are the most dehumanizing experience ever - except w/e it is that's your excuse for no humanity.

mooster · 2 years ago

Hey Joel, you're an inspiration to me! I always wanted to be an idiot on the internet...

oracle's · 2 years ago

Please, lets not lets get carried away at how fantastic and free the healthcare system is in the UK.
It MAY be free...but its problem with aseptic technique and its application is killing thousands of people every year.
And what is not generally mentioned is that a compulsory deduction is made in wages for National Insurance,
so the service is only free if you have not paid into the National Insurance scheme by not working in the UK

Jacque · 2 years ago

Joel: You are the suckiest motherfucker I have ever met! And I haven't even really met you. Before I read your comment, I frankly didn't know that anyone could be THAT stupid. And I've met my share of dumbasses..

HeresStella · 2 years ago

This is a wonderful video. However, your visitors need a history lesson.

Anonymous u guys r all natzis? Get an education? Philosophically, Nazism is 180 degrees from Socialism. People who admire this culture lean towards Socialism, not Nazism.

Joel, your comment Notice that there were no ethnic minorities shown in the clip? That's because Norway is one of the most racist countries in the world. Nice little Utopia, huh is an ignorant attempt at satire. Scandinavia is the most progressive country in the world.

Having visited Scandinavia many times, I can assure you that the people there are welcoming of many different minorities. Have you ever been there? No? Then your comment is fallacious. It is an idyllic society. My 20-year study of Norway's and Sweden's history demonstrates that they have practiced egalitarianism between the sexes since the Viking age. In fact, the word "law" derives from Old Norse. They were one of the first European cultures to develop a judicial system. These countries demonstrate great care for the aged, while Americans are left on their own to become bankrupt in caring for aged parents.

During WWII, the Norwegians fought hard for their freedom against Hitler, who could never completely take over Norway because of their hatred for the Nazis. Study your history: Norway was a staunch ally of the U.S.

Accordingly, both your comments about the Norwegians being "natzis" are patently ignorant. You notice that the Scandinavian literacy rate is the highest in the world. John and Anonymous, what does your misspelling and inability to create a simple, grammatically correct sentence and basic understanding of history (WWII) say about the education our country provides our children?

Norman Miller · 2 years ago

Go to Norway. It isn't the panacea that Moore suggests. This guy is such a phoney and a fraud. Just go visit Norway and see for yourself. Don't let this propaganda define your view, visit Norway and see for yourself. Michael Moore is an idiot.

Ilektra · 2 years ago

I agree with you Norman Miller. Norway has A LOT of social problems, oil problems and lets not forget who kills whales on this planet. But, you have to admit that this country has taken a step further in social security and civil health managment as all Scandinavian countries have. So Moore is not that much of an idiot. He does tell the truth... partially. He hides the bad stuff when it suits him. But while you are suggesting for people to go to Norway so they can have a better opinion on the subject, shouldn't you also see Michael Moore's documentaries with another eye too? I mean, try and see where the facts he presents are actually facts and don't discard EVERYTHING he says, You become just as narrow minded as you accuse him of being...

Magnus · 2 years ago

Joel - No ethnic minorities? Well, as you could see, most of Moore's clip was from a prison, and unlike in the US, we don't lock up only our minorities.

Typically, it has been pointed out on this site that Norway has high taxes, as if that somehow nullifies Moore's point. In fact, when you subtract vital government payouts, such as health care, taxes in Norway are on average lower than in the US. One can argue that in America you can at least choose if you'd like to pay for health care, but in truth, who wouldn't pay for it? So the point is moot.

So, for less taxes, we get more government services, higher wages and a better standard of living than Americans. Life's a b***h, ain't it?

Oh, and I'm not anti-American at all. I've lived in the US for a large part of my life, and love the country. It just annoys me when ignorant fools claim to speak the truth on these message boards. Educate yourselves, and if you'd still choose the American system, so be it.

Just think about this. When I lived in the US, a Norwegian person I knew needed some serious surgery. It amounted to $80,000, and someone asked him how the h*ll he would pay for it, seeing as he had no health insurance. "Weeeell", he answered, "the Norwegian government'll take care of it. It's why I pay taxes, isn't it?".

So, without adding to his premium, and without having to pay a dime, the government took care of the bill, no questions asked.

I know which system I'd choose.

Tom · 2 years ago

Call it racism, but countries such as Norway would never work if they were populated with greater numbers of the darker races. I've been all over Europe, Canada, Australia, and am an American. The worst states in the US typically have the highest populations of blacks or latinos. The worst countries in the world are typically populated with majority black or latino races. You do the math.

Erik · 2 years ago

About oil, the norwegians do have a large oil and gas reserve, but all the profits from that is put on a very long term oil and gas fund. They aren't using that money, it's valued at $360 million one of the largest investments funds in the world.

GJ · 2 years ago

Norway of course are one of the richest nations in the world because of oil wealth.

The UN just put Norway in 2nd place and Iceland in 1st place. Scandinavians seem to take the best care of their people.

Eric · 2 years ago

You do the Math you red neck f*ck. I am white and I am offended by your comments. Your one of the reasons why you live in such a poor country is because of people like you. Look beyond the color of someone skin and look to other factors which may contribute to their status.

Terje · 2 years ago

The only thing wrong about this film is the weather. The weather here is much worse than depicted in the film.
Everything else is true.

nate · 2 years ago

Norman Miller:

I did go to Norway, and it was wonderful. Of course, when I went, the weather was nice, and I only stayed a few days, but everyone there seemed very happy, and it seemed like a truly affluent country. My only complaint was that the food was for the most part a bit bland. The people I talked to described taxes very similar to the taxes I pay here in the US, and they loved the health care and educational system there, which is all free (yes, you can go to college for free there).

Xora · 2 years ago

How much health care could US buy for all the money they've put into Irak war?

James · 2 years ago

Wait. This place has free college too?
Anyone know anything about how credible the schools are?

Patrick · 2 years ago

I visited Europe for about two years and spent time in Norway - very beautiful country with friendly people. They do have incredible health care, however I recall a conversation I had with a local Norwegian one night. He stated that no one picks their profession in life and that it is determined by the government. He went on to state his brother became a drug addict and killed himself because he became dissatisfied with his position in the system. Yikes.

Call me crazy, but I would NEVER give up my personal freedom and liberty for ANYTHING, be it for personal safety from terrorism or quality health care.

I never really taken Micheal Moor seriously anyway. He is to extreme liberalism as Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh are to extreme conservatism. And if you don't see that, well, you already have taken a drink of the kool-aid so to speak.

ALF · 2 years ago

To Tom:

I'll tell you my point... ol' white man..... I live in Spain, which is THE latino country... and our health care system... our educational system... our general culture and living is faaaaar way better than any state in the US (including those were most of WASPs live...).

Most of us know where most of the countries are.... and I guess you are now trying to find Spain in a map somewhere between Mexico and Argetina... well, I'll tell you something... try looking in Western Europe (ah, and if you come here on holidays, please tell the doctor who is takking care of you at no cost... that he is a poor "darker races" member, who deserves to live in a non developed country... probably he will be happy to hear that from an assho...).

Oh, just one more thing... I've been living in NY, MN, CA... UK, Germany... maybe I know what I'm talking about.

steve luiting · 2 years ago

How come I can't just choose another countries healthcare services? How come I can't get paid and work in Euros instead of watching my dollars loose value as I type this. This would give the people "real" power if we weren't forced to live under a system provided by the rich and powerful who don't care about me.

James · 2 years ago

No America is # 1, yea in bullshit! Fucking terrorists, they invade Iraq, kill millions and then are astonished why people hate them!

James · 2 years ago

No America is # 1, yea in bullshit! Fucking terrorists, they invade Iraq, kill millions and then are astonished why people hate them!

Bobg · 2 years ago

To the Scandinavian posters (in my experience, very fine people) on this forum I must apologize for my American brethren that feel that everything good comes from America and all of the other countries are evil. I have never been to Norway or Sweden but I am sure that the people would have thrown out the system years ago if it wasn't working. In the video, your country looks very beautiful but I'm not sure that I could put up with the winters. You must be very hardy people.

Jan Hallvard · 2 years ago

Patrick: Are you kidding me? I live in Norway, and every decides for them selves what they want to become. It's a system based on grades, and those with the best grades get to choose first. There is also a quota system where people from the northern parts of norway get to choose some places before everyone else to make sure that even places with few inhabitants get a population with a fairly varied education.

Everything in this film is true. The one "major" social problem in Norway is narcotics and alcohol. Also the elderly could get better service, and the educational system could be better. Also we should have better infrastructure (roads that are not in the vicinity of large cities are usually small and have a low standard).. Other than that Norway is a nice country. The best thing about Norway is that the government tries to make it an equal country for all. No matter race, color, political/religious views or gender.

army193 · 2 years ago

It amazes me that America is afraid to learn from another country.

Steven · 2 years ago

Don't forget Norway's population is less than that of Atlanta, Georgia.

Lameo · 2 years ago

Ok,
1) Norway is GREAT
2) Not alot of other races in Norway ? Mostly...uhhh white?
3) Someone forgot to tell you what the income is Norway(look it up). Or that the majority are what we call in the US "moderate to upper" income.
4) Whats the size of Norway in people.

The reason mr. Moore forgot this is because its not a valid comparison. Any 3rd grade student would realize this. Am I envious of Norway? Yes. Where do you live mr. moore? Do I think we can learn from Norway? Yes. When get rid of the disperate cultures and races, remove 95% of our population, and make socialism and taxes Job 1 then you can compare Norway.

John Ehrenfeld · 2 years ago

Unfortunately the "compassionate" Ayn Rand disciples here fail to understand Mr. Moore's point. That our system is broken and unfair and that common decency should dictate that everyone deserves quality health care, no matter what their circumstances in life and that everyone gets that . . . except us. But hey, 47 million uninsured, 35 million going hungry, what the hell. That's America. You fall through the cracks . . who cares.

Michael · 2 years ago

So let me get this straight.... it's laudable to have murderers and butchers, people that have killed with chainsaws live on a nice property for 4 years and chill out? How is this equal rights? What about the rights of the people they killed?

Why is there happy music to show how murderers get light punishments like it's a good thing?

Salmon · 2 years ago

you American fuckwits who think the video is fake, be less ignorant. You self-righteous fuckwits who are convinced that Norway is a failure because its a communist state, look in the mirror and ask who's the victim to propaganda, fuckwit.

and to the rest who is awed by this and wishes america to be like that, good on you. but what amazes me is this video really pitched a new level of extremity to parts of south america or africa.

rami · 2 years ago

I live in the United States and when I see countries like Norway doing good for it's people it makes me cry for what kind of country that I live in we have built a society on every man for himself no one cares for one another in America Hurricane Katrina will prove that and what about the two million living on the street and the 45 million living below the poverty line and the 55 million without health care and the 45 million that go hungry day in and day out these are the sad facts that we face in the United States and what do people say when you point out the truth about were we live they call "YOU" anti american and you're not patriotic and if you don't like it leave it well perhaps I will and the sooner the better norway here I come!!!! furthermore to everyone is to wake up and smell the coffee people we live in a post industrial barbaric hell hole wether you like it or not rome is burning to the ground people look around you!!!!!!!!! we have money for wars but not for taking care of the less fortunate we should be ashamed of ourselves.

robert · 2 years ago

They love the earth so much, they still kill whales

JensDensen · 2 years ago

Next: commie switzerland, moore shows the extemely progressive drug laws and euthanesia policies of the people's republic in the mountains and how well it all works.

jack · 2 years ago

Hello, are you people all in 1st grade or something? This country only has 4.7 million people.That's half the size of New York City. Don't you think it is a little easier to maintain than the U.S. which has 75 times that amount at 300 million, with 20 million illegal aliens draining the system? It is also 90% white, and if you don't think that makes a difference, point me to a country that is 90% black that isn't a complete dump. But don't worry, now that the U.S. is in decline, it will no longer be the garbage dump for the dregs of the rest of the worlds impoverished. All these nice neat little countries will be filled will hordes of uneducated illegal immigrants.

J-P · 2 years ago

Americans, you've got to wake up and realize what's going on in your country. Turn off Fox News, Glenn Beck, Hannity, Limbaugh and all the rest. The corporate special interests have hijacked your country.

America is still a great place to live, but mainly for the rich. If you're middle-class, you're slowly being squeezed more and more every year and if you're poor, watch out, you'd be better off in almost any other Western industrialized country (except maybe the UK, which seems to be following the same leo-liberal, big-business plan that America is following)

It's tragic that the wealthiest country in the world has such poverty and yet in election after election millions of struggling, working class Americans keep voting Republican. If you haven't already realized it - the Republicans are the party of Big Business, tax breaks for the rich and cuts to all social programs (except hand-outs to large corporations, of course - but hey, that's just capitalism at work, right?)

But is it any wonder that in a country where the 'free market' is king, the rich are the ones who make the all rules????

bob · 2 years ago

A couple points here that need to be made since they have been glossed over.
#1 - compulsory military service all males age 18 - 44 and reserve obligation to age 35-60.

They have the 118th lowest pop in the world, and are about the size of New Mexico.
This wonderful system of theirs, eats up over 41% of their governmental budget.
Right now, their money comes from oil and gas accounting for one-third of exports, Only Saudi Arabia and Russia export more oil than Norway.

However, those gas reserves are drying up and the country is now trying to contain it's extensive welfare system. They can't afford their welfare, health care etc and are facing future monetary problems unprecedented in the country.
They don't even have 1/2 the population of Manhattan, yet they have $264.4 billion to "help" their people.

Anyone who thinks for a minute that the US can do the same, with it's population and comparatively low taxes, non mandatory military and non government run industry better think again.

Norway has a constitutional monarchy, it is not a democracy.
If Michael Moore really wants to join the military and live in a monarchy he should move. But he doesn't does he?
Americans are free, in Norway, you really have no idea what that means and what it is worth.

For those who think it's greener on the other side of the pond, I suggest you renounce your US citizenship and go live in Norway. In a year you'll be begging to come back and I hope you wait in line like the rest of the world who is trying to obtain US citizenship.

Larry · 2 years ago

I've woken up and when I did I realized that BU$H and Company attacked us on 9/11 and falsely blamed Bin Laden.

www.loosechange911.com

SlaviK Savonikch · 2 years ago

NORWAY has a consistant barbaric culture and history
in the destruction of Ocean species-well documented
by the Greenpeace Organization which says Whale species have been brutally murdered and bludgeoned
by Harpoons as they (Whales) are merely trying to
survive and breath fresh air. As the Whale species
surface they are shot through the back with a Harpoon Cannon on a turret structure on the Whaling Ship.

BADGER · 2 years ago

to the idiot that said this: "For those who think it's greener on the other side of the pond, I suggest you renounce your US citizenship and go live in Norway. In a year you'll be begging to come back and I hope you wait in line like the rest of the world who is trying to obtain US citizenship."

....you’re a moron, USA sucks
(its just one big lie)
land of the free HA!
more like LAND OF the INCARCERATED
USA leads the world in having
members of its citizens behind bars, the
police officers in the USA are nazi thugs,
buzz haircut-good-ol boys, hi-way robbers with a
badge! I want to go to NORWAY now
and I guarantee you I would never come back!
you can have the USA POLICE state!

bob · 2 years ago

hey Badger, sounds like someone recently got busted for being an idiot himself perhaps.
So go there, live with the other criminals in a nice house and then see how life is on the other side, cleaning toilets or what ever else their military says you will do.
Oh, but that would be bad then as well I am sure.

if it is that bad, don't bother posting back, your wasting time packing your bags chum.

Norwegian .. "I can only laugh. your government have the patriot act to ensure they can do anything to anyone for no reason." keep laughing in ignorance.
The patriot act does not allow anything like you described at all. Get a grip. It's for eavesdropping and all files are reviewed by a judge. No one is arrested under the patriot act oh misinformed one.
As a matter of fact, you could commit robbery and be heard through the patriot act and nothing can be done about it. It's against terrorists. Anything else is completely inadmissible.

Yes i do know that your oil sales are going into a fund. Currently 151.4 billion are in stocks for when your oil runs out. They only received a .02% increase in the past year. Without better investments, your in for the nastiest downfall you could ever imagine. Your health care system is eating over 12% per year. I did my homework, you better do yours!

"american politician fugitives" sounds like a great place to live, you get the politicians and fugitives. yep, I can see why everyone is moving right away to that great land o norway!

LaShun · 2 years ago

AMAZING...THIS VIDEO IS ABOUT HEALTHCARE AND HOW RACE GOT THROWN INTO THIS IS UNBELIEVEABLE. Well, most if not all of your third world countries are occupied by "darker race" people, ask yourself WHY? If i were to take away a well balanced and prosperous economy in your beautiful non-violent communities with no spots in them, constantly project negative images of your kind in the media, ship drugs into your community, and dumd down your educational system, and make the rest of the world believe that its all your fault, What do you think would happen to your race? Its easy to look at the surface and point fingers but its hard to critically think? World goverments are making ethnic specific bioweapons and please do your homework think before you judge. And if you still refuse to believe, the next time you go to your church, temple, synagogue and sit before a God you say you believe in and that is all compassionate to everyone, make sure you know what god you are praying to.

Lashun · 2 years ago

William S. Cohen Secretary of Defense. At a counter-terrorism conference. Quoted from DoD News Briefing, from a Q & A at the 'Conference on Terrorism, Weapons of Mass Destruction, and U.S. Strategy', University of Georgia, Athens. April 28th, 1997
"There are some reports, for example, that some countries have been trying to construct something like an Ebola Virus, and that would be a very dangerous phenomenon, to say the least. Alvin Toeffler has written about this in terms of some scientists in their laboratories trying to devise certain types of pathogens that would be ethnic specific so that they could just eliminate certain ethnic groups and races; and others are designing some sort of engineering, some sort of insects that can destroy specific crops. Others are engaging even in an eco- type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves.

So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations. It's real, and that's the reason why we have to intensify our efforts, and that's why this is so important."

Mike · 2 years ago

I'm from Canada but did spend a few years in the U.S. working and have experienced both systems, and for the most part what Moore depicts is accurate. Our Canadian Parliament however has been infiltrated by corporateers who keep pressing for a partially private system, and are doing everything in their power to compromise our current successful model. Why? Because they smell the money and are most certainly being greased by the same lobbyists that have corrupted the U.S. system. I can assure you, there would be blood in the streets if an attempt were made to shift to a private model. As an American citizenry I do think you need to look at other successful models. It does appear the private sector has gone to great lengths to villanize National Healthcare, and to the extent that its been coined COMMIE healthcare by its citizens is disturbing. Even if you haven't experienced both systems,, the concept of a for profit healthcare system is not only intellectually absurd, but also morally repulsive.

poochy · 2 years ago

Interesting vid. Far better healthcare than the UK for sure. The only thing wrong with them Norwegians is they make too many good rally drivers that take all our silver :-)

Eyes Wide Open · 2 years ago

Today the UN released the names of the 3 most wealthy, liveable, and preferred coutries in the world (1)Iceland (2) Norway (3) Australia....or was it Norway, Iceland, Oz? no matter!

I think the US was either 16 or 60 I didnt take much notice. So, the Vikings and the Aussies have life pretty well worked out, so tell us something we didnt already know UN?

Poochy · 2 years ago

The UN are mostly folks from very hot countries, they dont like the cold countries not Norway and Iceland - who cares what the UN say anyway? they are Globalists and are hell bent on a One-World Government.

Roobah · 2 years ago

I hate to say I already knew all of that, but I did... except what I only suspected... the very last sentence, "The United States does not meet Norway's minimum humanitarian standards in prisons." Funny but true!

There is a film out there on Free Speech TV documenting the differences between several country's prison systems... USA, Canada, Japan, China, Norway. It's interesting to see how different they all are. It's interesting to note the USA has the worst crime statistics. USA's jails rehab by torture and violence. Japan rehabs by coersion and discrace, China rehabs by making jail just like military boot camp, and Norway rehabs by heaping on doses of love and flowers and a happy fairy tale life. (I'm sure this was cut because other documentaries have already presented this subject.)

Big V · 2 years ago

Who wants to live in a country where sun shines from mid-June to mid-August? Btw, the 'Fat Hamster' failed to mention Norway has one of the most highest suicide rates, that's why they drink like sponges, otherwise they can't survive no sun and cold winters for 10 months.

Eyes Wide Open · 2 years ago

Whos the bullshitter ;o) You were just set up fool, I knew some idiots would open their mouths before engaging their brains hehehe

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21989185/

bob · 2 years ago

norwegian , you just don't get it. Your comparing your crime rates with ours. It's like comparing a mouse to an elephant. We have so many more people here you couldn't even begin to imagine it in your sheltered little world.
All whites? We have every race, creed and religion on the books here. Your country is like 1/10 th of one our more populated states.
More guns? I doubt it highly. The New York Police Department alone constitutes the 13th largest army in the world alone.

Living in a democracy is free, do they tell you to believe that living in a monarchy is free? get a dictionary, you need help.
Funny how all my information is fact not some pie in the sky nonsense. I even quoted the figures. I expect your next comment would be pictured with you sticking your fingers in your ears saying I can't hear you.

I gave serious facts to this piece of work that Moore did. All it has been met with is intolerances, innuendo, and misguided presumptions by you.
Simply put, your system of health care may be fine for you in Norway, but it will not work here. We don't have the oil that you do and the ability to toss 40% of the GNP at health care issues when there are competitive markets here.
Just for yoru information on the mastermind of this video, here is his health care plan.

1.Every resident of the United States must have free, universal health care for life.
2.All health insurance companies must be
abolished.
3.Pharmaceutical companies must be strictly
regulated like a public utility.

Don't look for more, cause their ain't any.

It is apparently going to be paid by the good fairy from Norway. Just believe Michael Moore and all will be well. Just like in Norway (at least till the oil runs out)

Eyes Wide Open · 2 years ago

Hey "Norwegian", I am an Australian of Vikng decent, so I guess I have the best of both worlds, sunshine, plenty of room to rape pillage and plunder and plenty of beer. I would love to visit Norway and Iceland and maybe Finland too someday. For some the reality that the US is not the centre of the universe is a little hard to digest, I would put it closer to the end of the earths digestive tract.

Eyes Wide Open · 2 years ago

Australian peasant, if you think that of our country you either have never travelled outside your own suburb or you are an immigrant who misses "home". To deny that the OZ is one of the best countries on the planet for a plethora of reasons is delusional at best. In fact i think if you said what you bravely say here from your keyboard in public, someone may well hang you by the neck until you are dead with the Aussie flag from the nearest gum tree. (that would be the violence issues you mentioned?)

Eyes Wide Open · 2 years ago

hey Baaarb (Bob) what you dont seem to understand is that the rest of the world dont give a shit what you have or dont have in the US. The US is a shithole fascist dictatorship warmonger on the verge of collapse both financially and socially. The US "experiment" has failed dismally and apparently everyone in the world knows it except you yanks? Sorry to burst your "housing" bubble BAAAARB

Eyes Wide Open · 2 years ago

Spot on "anonymous" what yanks like BAAARB dont get is that not everything is about how BIG it is but is calculated on a per capita basis. For instance us Aussies went into East Timor to free those peole from the tyranny of 200million Indonesians/Muslims, our "ally" the "mighty" US offered us "logistical" support only. So a nation of 20 million, with a combined military of 50,000 stepped up to the plate to a nation of 200 million, and they went away. Now as a comparison a country of 300m (US) has just spent 4yrs trying to overcome a city of what 1 million? (Baghdad) who have been under sanctions for 10yrs and whos military was destroyed in 1st The Gulf war...and the US are getting flogged, even given their Apaches, F-16's, M1A2's and all their other BIG STUFF. What it comes down to is quality not quantity BAARB

Helio · 2 years ago

I think the USA should send Norway some of our black prisoners.

We have a few.

And lets see how Norway does with them.

Eyes Wide Open · 2 years ago

Yeah Oz Peasant, our health system could be better, but hey, in the US if you dont have insurance and walk into a hospital like one motorcyclist who following an accident had a tree limb through his back and protruding out his chest, they will simply say sorry, piss off.
I like the Sultan of Brunei's system, Free Health, Free Education, Free damn near everything important. The Idea, like Chavez, of booting out the multinational oil companys or taxing them to the max and then using the countrys wealth to benefit the people is how it should be, but that is not the way the Multinationals see it.

Eyes Wide Open · 2 years ago

Same here in OZ Norwegian, long waiting lists for elective surgery, but if you are in need of medical assistance for anything non elective ie illness/injury, you will be seen, depending on the seriousness of your condition anytime from minutes to several hours, and the govt foots the bill.

Ryan · 2 years ago

then fucking move there you cock

profnasty · 2 years ago

Wow!Norway looks like a great place. As an american I propose we declare war, invade, and steal all their stuff. I even heard they have oil! Plus most of them speak English? This is going to be a cake walk. I can almost taste the free oil now. C'mon guys, LETS ROLL.

Andrew Ferm · 2 years ago

healthcare in America is an abomimation to fucking say the least.My mother cant get insurance due to preconditions so when she had to have major surgery,she had to bring with her a check for half down of ten thousand!they cash in some retirement stock that was not much to begin with!Fuck American healthcare! Last month i was in the fields working when a piece of machinery
came loose and broke three of my right hand fingers..i set them in line again and taped them up as i can not afford this healthcare.

Eyes Wide Open · 2 years ago

G'day Andrew, sorry to hear about you Mother, and also your accident. Norwegian says that healtcare in the US is better, and that may well be the case, but what is the good of the best healthcare in the universe if only the rich can take advantage of it? That sucks and so does Big Phama, the Health "Care" Industry (term used loosely) and the screwing over of honest tax paying Americans, who are dying for lack of health care while the assholes in power waging wars on innocents are making a killing using the taxpayers money to enrich their friends and themselves via Big oil and the Military Industrial establishment.

lee j · 2 years ago

Whining americans......there's lots of them around these days! america could have THE best healthcare system in the world, if you cared about the person next to you enough not to see them die through lack of MONEY. you people disgust me greedy, intolerant, ignorant, aggresive,self loathing? i hope so. theres a reason why norway can spend 40% of GDP on social and welfare schemes. THEY DON'T SPEND IT ON WEAPONS!. American social security was never generous and now it has been gutted to pay for more war. How do you feel knowing that your country is responsible for a new word describing the out right murder indiscriminately of an entire planet. OMNICIDE. americas great contribution to the world circa 2007 OMNICIDE the indiscriminate genocide of whoever by depleted uranium. Thanks Guys. did you know within a month of D.U weapons being used a cloud of uranium particulates had travelled right around the planet. instead of money being used to support the poor at home we'll use it to destroy an entire nation and make it unliveable for a hundred millenia and cause genectic damage that will last ten thousand times longer. war-mongering stupid scum. The big industries in america have a lot to answer for, the medical industry is ripping you off it doesnt cost twenty bucks for asthma inhalers. it doesn't cost hundreds of dollars for a blood test. but you wouldn't know that would you. your one of the few countries in the world that have federally executed children. comparisons between america and norway cannot be made because norway actually gives a shit about Health-care, social housing, social security, crime, and education. the people pay for these services because they bring the peace of mind that comes knowing that if they lose a job or fall ill they aren't going to "skid row" with you. they also hold fair and free elections dont have a dictator in power and like the politics of peace. yes you could learn soooo much, but your so bigotted you don't see it.

Mike · 2 years ago

Bob, read this www.reason.com You are like chinese guy with no real news claiming those things about Patriot Act. There is a ton of credible material like that pointing out that there are indeed serious problems with it.

Mari · 2 years ago

First of all, I am schocked by some of the ignorant comments posted here, i.e.:

"They do have incredible health care, however I recall a conversation I had with a local Norwegian one night. He stated that no one picks their profession in life and that it is determined by the government. He went on to state his brother became a drug addict and killed himself because he became dissatisfied with his position in the system. Yikes."

"This video is FAKE. Norway is run by COMMUNISTS. Their men are miserable SLAVES and their women are all WHORES. I'm sick of these pinko bastards talking shit about America. Once we are done killing those towel heads we should pay Norway a visit and remind them why America is still number 1."

"Norway has a constitutional monarchy, it is not a democracy."

What utter bullshit! Norway has a royal family, yes, but of course we are a democracy. And everyone can decide for themselves what they wanna be. And the video is not fake, and we are a socalist country, not a communist country.

Yes, Norway is not utopia, but we do have good health care and a good educational system. Free college! Yay!

It's too bad health care is left to insurance companies in America. Health care should NOT be a private business. And your tax dollars should cover your health care, end of story.

That being said, I love America! And I vist every chance I get. At least once a year. Americans are such wonderful, polite people, and I'm ever lonely there, and I always travel alone. Thank you guys for making me feel so welcome, no matter where in the US I go.

August · 2 years ago

All the cut-downs from americans reflects how sick they are. We laugh at them like funny animals and we should remind ourselves everyday why we want nothing to do with their systems. They claim freedom only in words; it looks like they are all prisoners.

sg · 2 years ago

America is not a democracy. It was never a Democracy. It's a Republic. A Democracy is ruled by majority. Any minority parties, either citizen, and / or group haven't any avenues of protection against the rule and power of the majority. 51% rules and there are no mechanisms that offer counter balance. "Tyranny-by-Majority" was the very reason the founding fathers chose to create a Republic over a Democracy. A Republic creates checks and balances and protects the rights of the individual and minority parties from absolute authority (tyranny). A Republic is created via a constitutionally limited government of the representative type with its powers divided between the independent branches known as Executive, Legislative and Judicial. Before trashing another country it's always best to know which one you actually live in....

uillis · 2 years ago

The cost of living in Norway is 30% higher than ours. Still wanna sign up? Could you afford that? I know what it's like as I live in a country where the cost of living is higher than yours. Luckily, I can afford it.

Maybe if the liberals in our government would allow for drilling in ANWR we could come a littler closer to Norway which is completely oil independent. Did you know that while you were comparing this utopia to our shambles?

Norway has a disproportionate amount of natural resources for a low population which explains its richesse and largesse.

Moore didn't leave this out because no one would believe it; he left it out because he would have been accused of cherry picking. In other words; it's apples and oranges which Moore like to make a jam out of.

NorskeAmerikan · 2 years ago

Being an American of Norwegian descent, some of the comments on here are highly disturbing, extremely childish and merely ludicrous. I visit my relatives in Norway every chance I get. Norway and the other Scandinavian countries are way, way ahead of America in almost everything. Especially healthcare and education. As anyone can see just by reading the comments from my fellow Americans on this site, most Americans are almost illiterate. They don't use proper English because they don't know how to. They cannot spell correctly or use punctuation. It's very sad to see this happening in the US but not very surprising. Teachers in the US are not paid enough for one thing and US school books are full of untruths and historical inaccuracies. The media; TV, radio, etc go a long way towards dumbing down Americans as well. It has obviously worked too. Being a much older person than the majority of you on here, I have seen the slow dismantling of what used to be American values as well as the lower IQ's of children, teens and adults as compared to when I was growing up here in the US. It's really quite frightful for an older person like myself to see this happen to our country. Humanity is capable of great things, but we choose instead to embrace violence and murder as well as racial and sexual stereotyping and other unbecoming behaviors. How sad for humanity and especially the United States. We are NOT the giving, caring country we used to be. That can change, but we all have to participate and MAKE it happen. Start caring again people, and please open your eyes to what you are missing! Most of what you see, hear and read in the media is untrue and full of hate, violence and materialistic views. Educate yourself by reading books by reputable authors and using the internet. If you don't know how to read, like most Americans anymore, then start learning now.

AIne Ni Chroinin · 2 years ago

The look at things rationally kiling whales is not the most P.C. of activities indeed no where is perfect, but the US kills its own people.....there is no correlation between the death penalty and reduction in murder rates, so why have it? That said Im moving to Norway makes Ireland look like the black hole of capitalism
A country with low murder rates has to be looked at from a 'what can we learn' from them perspective rather than a conservative hateful diatribe engendered by beinging up whaling

Greg Hunt · 2 years ago

Few points:

Comparing Norway to America is apples and oranges on so many points: Scale, Economy, Population, etc. What works in a Micro System fails in a Macro System. Not a valid comparison.

Further, socialism is a wonderful concept where all is provided in selfless idealism, but that is not human nature and eventually collapses upon itself - especially to countries with unlimited/uncontrolled illegal immigration that robs the resources and services of it's wealth.

Lastly, what exactly has Norway done to help the world aside from heating their homes from crap? AMERICA defeated the Facists Germans in two wars saving Europe from German Rule, brought down the Iron Curtain defeating communism in those countries at the time, Defeated Japan turning them away from war/aggressive behavior, liberated Kuwait from Iraq's military who were raping and pillaging women and girls - and following these victories did we claim these countries as our own, expaning our empire? Looking at a Map I don't see them shown as part of the USA! No, we provided assistance in rebuilding Japan and others and returned home. Ameirca is the world's defender.

Remove America from the world picture and Norway would not exist, since either the Nazis, Communists, or Muslim Extremists would rule every country and freedom would be nonexistent.

Thank you for your attention.

Ane · 2 years ago

Re.Greg Hunt's statement: Remove America from the world picture and Norway would not exist, since either the Nazis, Communists, or Muslim Extremists would rule every country and freedom would be nonexistent.

Could mr. Hunt please give an example of how America has saved Norway from Nazis, Communists or Muslims.

john · 2 years ago

well guys
As Scandinavian I can confirm that Norway is a very nice place on earth and what is presented here is true. The problem is that Sicko makes it look a bit too romantic. Norway is a rich oilproducing contry and the state owns it all to the benefit of every citizen there. They enjoy all the benefits of EU not even being a member. Seen from over here the american society lack a more balanced income distribution and a social system that takes better care of the average guy wo works his ass of every day to make companies like Coca cola and Microsoft so rich that dominant that they no longer care about the quality and true benefit of their products. Us is a country where less than 1 % merely owns the whole world. But you just wait and see overthere. The Chinese will beat the shit out off You if you dont build a society with more balance and income distribution

didier · 2 years ago

Well dont underestimate our ability to take care of ourselves overhere Mister

Mark · 2 years ago

Norway is at the top because they have kept their population low. Our standard of living in the US is dropping because we allow to much immigration (legal and illegal) and we breed like rabbits. The US needs to knock 150million off its population to raise it's standard of living again, until then we will continue to decline as had happened in the last 65 years.

sparrow · 2 years ago

Wow! i live in the US, and i question how “united” these states really are.The“ health” care system is Wretched, the “educational” industry is shamefully substandard and college is a huge business (which is not free). Our prison “system” is something to be abhorred. I wish things were better; I wish things would change for the better. Who are these criminals in office?! Where are our Representatives. Where is dignity? The “talking heads” spewing their twisted lies are the true criminals. Everything is “bought and owned” by corporations who worship the almighty dollar, with their CEOs making absurd amounts of money. It's obscene really. Something has to give. And i won't even start on the insane, illegal invasion of innocent countries and human beings.I try to be grateful. …sometimes it is difficult. Spread the word, get involved! Work for change. It all sounds like some sort of slogan, and it is — but just “do it” and kick phil knight's ass! (thank you Kalle Lasn.) My maternal grandmother's parents came from norway, hmmmmm. cheers, and love, sparrow

J-P · 2 years ago

The U.N.'s Human Development Index for 2007 (which measures average quality of life) has just been released and the rankings are:

1. Iceland
2. Norway
3. Australia
4. Canada
5. Ireland
6. Sweden
7. Switzerland
8. Japan
9. Netherlands
10. France
11. Finland
12. United States

With all of America's natural advantages (abundant resources, mild and diverse climate, democratic traditions, etc.) it only ranks 12th. Decades ago, back in the 50's and early 60's, it would probably have ranked 1st. What happened? Why isn't it number one anymore?

My theory, and I think it's supported by the historical record, is that America has been moving steadily further and further to the right for almost 40 years. While popular culture has become more open and decadent, real power has shifted to corporations and away from the government. Now, the government is largely beholden to the right-wing corporate interests that helped them get elected. And what has been the result? Huge, unsustainable tax cuts to the rich, supply-side economic policies designed to keep wages and real incomes of average Americans stagnant, union jobs disappearing to low income, third-world countries and more and more deregulation that helps large, predatory corporations crush small and medium sized businesses. Now Wal-Mart is America's largest employer and the middle-class is being squeezed into a dead-end, service industry cage.

And yet only half of eligible Americans vote? I suspect that most of the Americans who don't vote are the same ones who are suffering most from the current status quo. If real meaningful change is going to occur there will need to be some kind of popular awakening, such as occurred in the 30's and 60's. Otherwise, the present trends will continue, America will slip further down the list and the American way of life will look more and more like some kind of 21st century corporate feudalism.

Brian · 2 years ago

Norway is experiencing Immigration problems much like the rest of Europe and the USA. Mainly immigrants of from Muslim countries don't fit in well, Norway a very white country found it self amoung darker skinned people. They are not well integrated. Current rape Epidemic in Sweden and Norway, they tolerate intolerance. Dagblaladet reported 65% of rapes of Norwegian woman were preformed by "non-western" immigrants. 2005 Norway reported highest percentage of rape cases ever and simply choose to bury the statistics. Media is silent in regards to the current immigration problems.

sparrow · 2 years ago

OH! RON PAUL '08!


America in the Time of Empire
By Chris Hedges
Truthdig
Monday 26 November 2007
This column was originally published by the Philadelphia Inquirer.
All great empires and nations decay from within. By the time they hobble
off the world stage, overrun by the hordes at the gates or vanishing quietly
into the pages of history books, what made them successful and powerful no
longer has relevance. This rot takes place over decades, as with the Soviet
Union, or, even longer, as with the Roman, Ottoman or Austro-Hungarian
empires. It is often imperceptible.
Dying empires cling until the very end to the outward trappings of power.
They mask their weakness behind a costly and technologically advanced
military. They pursue increasingly unrealistic imperial ambitions. They
stifle dissent with efficient and often ruthless mechanisms of control. They
lose the capacity for empathy, which allows them to see themselves through
the eyes of others, to create a world of accommodation rather than strife.
The creeds and noble ideals of the nation become empty cliches, used to
justify acts of greater plunder, corruption and violence. By the end, there
is only a raw lust for power and few willing to confront it.
The most damning indicators of national decline are upon us. We have
watched an oligarchy rise to take economic and political power. The top 1
percent of the population has amassed more wealth than the bottom 90 percent
combined, creating economic disparities unseen since the Depression. If
Hillary Rodham Clinton becomes president, we will see the presidency
controlled by two families for the last 24 years.
Massive debt, much of it in the hands of the Chinese, keeps piling up as we
fund absurd imperial projects and useless foreign wars. Democratic freedoms
are diminished in the name of national security. And the erosion of basic
services, from education to health care to public housing, has left tens of
millions of citizens in despair. The displacement of genuine debate and
civil and political discourse with the noise and glitter of public spectacle
and entertainment has left us ignorant of the outside world, and blind to
how it perceives us. We are fed trivia and celebrity gossip in place of
news.
An increasing number of voices, especially within the military, are
speaking to this stark deterioration. They describe a political class that
no longer knows how to separate personal gain from the common good, a class
driving the nation into the ground.
"There has been a glaring and unfortunate display of incompetent strategic
leadership within our national leaders," retired Lt. Gen. Ricardo S.
Sanchez, the former commander of forces in Iraq, recently told the New York
Times, adding that civilian officials have been "derelict in their duties"
and guilty of a "lust for power."
The American working class, once the most prosperous on Earth, has been
politically disempowered, impoverished and abandoned. Manufacturing jobs
have been shipped overseas. State and federal assistance programs have been
slashed. The corporations, those that orchestrated the flight of jobs and
the abolishment of workers' rights, control every federal agency in
Washington, including the Department of Labor. They have dismantled the
regulations that had made the country's managed capitalism a success for
ordinary men and women. The Democratic and Republican Parties now take
corporate money and do the bidding of corporate interests.
Philadelphia is a textbook example. The city has seen a precipitous decline
in manufacturing jobs, jobs that allowed households to live comfortably on
one salary. The city had 35 percent of its workforce employed in the
manufacturing sector in 1950, perhaps the zenith of the American empire.
Thirty years later, this had fallen to 20 percent. Today it is 8.8 percent.
Commensurate jobs, jobs that offer benefits, health care and most important
enough money to provide hope for the future, no longer exist. The former
manufacturing centers from Flint, Mich., to Youngstown, Ohio, are open
sores, testaments to a growing internal collapse.
The United States has gone from being the world's largest creditor to its
largest debtor. As of September 2006, the country was, for the first time in
a century, paying out more than it received in investments. Trillions of
dollars go into defense while the nation's infrastructure, from levees in
New Orleans to highway bridges in Minnesota, collapses. We spend almost as
much on military power as the rest of the world combined, while Social
Security and Medicare entitlements are jeopardized because of huge deficits.
Money is available for war, but not for the simple necessities of daily
life.
Nothing makes these diseased priorities more starkly clear than what the
White House did last week. On the same day, Tuesday, President Bush vetoed a
domestic spending bill for education, job training and health programs, yet
signed another bill giving the Pentagon about $471 billion for the fiscal
year that began Oct. 1. All this in the shadow of a Joint Economic Committee
report suggesting that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have been twice as
expensive than previously imagined, almost $1.5 trillion.
The decision to measure the strength of the state in military terms is
fatal. It leads to a growing cynicism among a disenchanted citizenry and a
Hobbesian ethic of individual gain at the expense of everyone else. Few want
to fight and die for a Halliburton or an Exxon. This is why we do not have a
draft. It is why taxes have not been raised and we borrow to fund the war.
It is why the state has organized, and spends billions to maintain, a
mercenary army in Iraq. We leave the fighting and dying mostly to our poor
and hired killers. No nationwide sacrifices are required. We will worry
about it later.
It all amounts to a tacit complicity on the part of a passive population.
This permits the oligarchy to squander capital and lives. It creates a world
where we speak exclusively in the language of violence. It has plunged us
into an endless cycle of war and conflict that is draining away the
vitality, resources and promise of the nation.
It signals the twilight of our empire.

Greg Hunt · 2 years ago

This is how the Left always argues: I stated "Remove America from the world picture and Norway would not exist, since either the Nazis, Communists, or Muslim Extremists would rule every country and freedom would be nonexistent." and there reply is to take my statement from a child's perspective demanding I state when America saved Norway - as though that is what I stated. It was INFERRED by me that Norway's way of life and many countries' way of life around the world would be dramatically different if America had not been there to stop the Nazis, to stop the USSR's advance, to defeat Japan, and now to fight the Muslim terrorists with their agenda of a Muslim ruled world. Rather than provide evidence the world would be better place had America never existed and my argument is fallacious, the left typically latches on to some insiginficant detail, take it out of context, and then try to make their opponent seem stupid, since of course any conservative viewpoint or pro-America view is inferior beside a liberal anti-America viewpoint!

Further, just because I believe America has done a great deal of good for the world that goes uncredited in the America bashing by the left, doesn't mean I think it's a perfect place. It's a mess - obviously. Both parties are corrupt and care more about perpetuating their power by selling their votes than actually helping the country. To state Republicans or conservatives have ruined this country is simply ignorance, and vice versa for Democrats.

But complex discussions and views are not to be embraced by the left when debating the merits of their arguments since they are emotionally driven - much like children.

To conclude Muslim extremists are actively asserting their influence in many of your leftist cherished utopias, London, France, etc. - rioting, protesting, threatening. Open mindedness and embracing of others cultures only works with reciprocity - the extrmists do not reciprocate - hence they repress the freedoms we Americans so appreciate and defend. The referenced Nazis and Communists do not reciprocate either - so to restate my point for clarity, had America not existed, surly Hitlers advance across Europe, Stalin's and the USSR's and presenlty the Muslim Extremists assaults would have progressed around the world obliterating the cultures and way of life of all contries including Norway - had America not existed to stop these in the past and present.

MAGNANOMUS · 2 years ago

Heres a major Part of the problem right here. SSo many people chimeing in, from the comfort of you computers & surrounding walls, -And You'll be chimeing in even As the wall's are collapsing around you. When can we ALL concede that human percept- has swallowed the Natural world, and the natural world is Pissed.!
myspace.com/magnanomus

Danny Adams · 2 years ago

Greg Hunt: You wrote ""Remove America from the world picture and Norway would not exist, since either the Nazis, Communists, or Muslim Extremists would rule every country and freedom would be nonexistent." ...

Remove America, and the Nazis might not have existed. Hitler had plenty of American enablers in the 1930's who provided him financial backing, including John F. Kennedy's father, President Bush's grandfather, Henry Ford, numerous banks, and companies like IBM. While he had plenty of help from German industry and financiers, the Nazis may still not have come to power without Americans' help.

Brian · 2 years ago

In reality during WWII, as much as anyone hates to admit Russian or USSR was a huge part in fighting the Natzi party, who army drove into Berlin? Lets not forget top give credit where due, Kharatasho.
USA did prohibit the expansion of USSR and therefore did help Norway, or Europe for that this is nothing to be argued.
Today liberal Europe as destroyed her, 30% Immigrants with current birth rates will put France and most of the Western European continent will be a Muslim majority continent by the year 2035. Last night news in France will tell you how well these immigrants have conformed to European life. Tolerance of the intolerance, the liberal have literally handed the continent over to Islam. They choose to not have multi cultural societies but mass immigration from one party only, Muslims in Europe and Hispanics in USA, therefore not giving and equal chance to immigrants of the world. USA, Australia and now France new President Nikolas Sarkosy are the only countries awake to the current threats to the world. Liberal want to talk it out with peace meeting, # 1 who really thinks this weeks peace talks with Israel and Palestine will go anywhere, who wants to bet Hamas will launch a missile into Israel within the next 12 months. Who thinks sitting down with Hitler would have stopped him from advancing his armies??

grandmaster · 2 years ago

calm down guys.
leave the usa alone she needs no help
her people can not see and are also death.

she is doing a fine job on herself.
if u c what i mean, We in the uk need to cut of our limbs

Fanakapan · 2 years ago

You yanks saved the world from Nazi's and Communists ???? Nahhhh you saw a business opportunity, let the rest fight themselves to a standstill, then steped in and stripped the assets of those you sought to help, then you found that corpse like economies aint good for business, and gave aid, sort of like the Company Store business model.

And by the way, I'm off to see the Urologist, two week wait, and it wont cost me a thin dime, Hahahahaha.

dubya obama hannity · 2 years ago

No wonder all the stick-ni**ers from Somalia want to go to Norway! Free stuff, ni**er heaven.

Franz · 2 years ago

Didn't they learn anything from the Nazi's????
Those fuks, they deserve what ever they get. Fuking nor's men. Hope they fall apart. So, move to Norway and kill someone, you go free. what the fk are they thing about??????

Franz · 2 years ago

These fuking nor's, I hope that all of the convicted murders start killing more people and let them feel the rath of a killer. What a bunch of idiots. TReat them with kindness and kiss them before they go to sleep. Stupid is as Stupid does.

Franz · 2 years ago

One more thing,
Your country is going to fall apart, and it won't take to long. You have those fking black faces that come to your home land so they can get free services and who pays for it? YOU you stupid asshole's. Kick the niggers out of your country,they will only poison it with their AID's virus. Look at your kids and tell me that they are safe. Good bye and good luck with your mixed race.

Dave · 2 years ago

As a Scotsman living in America I felt I had to comment here.

Why is America so obsessed with left and right? Why do you have to be a liberal or conservative? Why do you have to always argue about how you save the world and demand credit for it? Why can't you just take each situation and form your own opinion on how it should be tackled instead of sticking to "I'm a conservative so I believe this" or "I'm a liberal so I can't hurt anyone."

Yes your soldiers died in battle with ours and if you hadn't been there the war would doubtless have been lost. Yes America put a lot of money into rebuilding Europe. But it was not for the greater good, it was a business oppurtunity and a chance for political gain over communism. And something you have been able to hold over our(UK mainly, cos we're they only ones still dumb enough to fall for it) heads every time you want to go bomb someone.

Personally if I help someone it makes me feel useful and good about myself. I do not hold it over their heads for 60 years and then the demand credit and favour for it. For me it is satisfaction enough to help a fellow human being in need.

I do find it a rather disturbing reflection on America that such a powerful and rich country can not feed and take care of all its citizens. In fact, it is a national disgrace. Without paying much more tax(on income, I accept fuel/alcohol/tobacco is far heavier taxed) we get a far greater welfare system. Sure we may have to queue a bit longer for a hospital appointment. But we don't have to pay for it out of an insurance policy, upping our premium.

I may sound like a liberal ranter to some Americans but I can assure you this is not the case.

I firmly believe there is a terrorist threat on this planet. I believe Muslim extremists are a threat but killing Sadaam Hussain and bombing Iran etc will not ease that, it will make them hate us more. The fact is, Europe did the same thing in the past. the catholic church tried to rule the world under one religion, but thesedays we are over that. In a few hundred years the middle east too will pull past being religious fundamentalists with corrupt governments. We have to let them take that course naturally. If they attack our shores we defend them, of course, but we shold not go picking fights and sticking our nose in where it doesn't belong. Unfortunately for some people there is oil to be drilled and money to be made and they can't see past that.

Anyway enough said I think.

analy · 2 years ago

Hope Norway enjoys it now because in a hundred years they will all be black just like the rest of europe, and they will have the living standard of Uganda.

Rey · 2 years ago

I can see a lot of American ignorant idiots (FOX NEWS VICTIMS) reacting to the Nord's way of life. EAT YOUR HEART OUT LIFE IS FAR SUPERIOR IN NORWAY THAN IN THE UNITED STATES, I LIVE IN NEW YORK....LET'S FACE IT BUSH COUNTRY SUCKS UNLESS YOU ARE A MILLIONAIRE (0.6% of the U.S population), but to be fair we have to realize that the population of Norway or Sweden is about 10 millions,that explain a lot....
FOR THE IGNORANT WHO ALWAYS MENTION WW2 AND THE NAZIS...THE AMERICAN CORPORATE RULING ELITE FINANCED ADOLF HITLER, THERE WAS NO WAY FOR HITLER TO GET ELECTED AND TAKE OVER GERMANY WITHOUT THE U.S FINANCIAL SUPPORT.PRESCOTT BUSH (our president's Grand father had his Bank ceased by the US Government in 1941 under the "Trading with the enemy law" for managing the Nazis US investments (JD Farben) Thousand of US soldiers got killed by German tanks made by the firm OPEL (a subsidiary of General Motor USA) THE NUMBER TATTOOED ON THE PRISONERS IN NAZI CONCENTRATION CAMPS WAS DESIGNED BY IBM. THE IBM MACHINE FROM THE GERMAN CAMPS CAN BE SEEN AT THE HOLOCAUST MUSEUM OF WASHINGTON DC,WITHOUT THE U.S THE NAZI WOULD HAVE NEVER TAKEN OVER EUROPE....BY the way ALL THE US CORPORATIONS INVOLVED WITH THE NAZIS DID OPEN SWISS BANK ACCOUNTS IN ORDER TO HAVE THE PAYMENTS MADE AND LIVE THE MONEY THERE UNTIL WW2 WAS OVER, THIS WAY THEY COULD NOT FALL UNDER "THE "TRADING WITH THE ENNEMY LAWS" ONLY THE GERMAN EXECUTIVES WERE CALLED AT NUREMBERG ,THE US MOTHER COMPANIES WERE NEVER EVEN QUESTIONED AND NEVER ASKED COMPENSATION BY FAMILIES OF VICTIMS, That include IBM ,FORD, General Motors, G.E ....ALL TODAY'S BUSH SUPPORTERS...

analy · 2 years ago

Michael Moore likes the French healthcare system as well but he does not mention that if ten years all of France will be one giant burning 'minority zone' because they ascribe to the false theory that all races have the same genetic intelligence and they flood their country with immigrants who do not have the genetic heritage to maintain a modern society and that is more and more becoming the scientific FAX as scientists track down the genetic markers of human intelligence and discover they are not evenly distributed among races. Norway lives well because unlike America it does not have to support the huge burden of a large black population.

Greg Hunt · 2 years ago

Of course America did not defeat the Germans alone - I didn't know I was supposed to give a history lesson, rather I thought I was trying to argue a point in brief. I'm sorry many feel every detail must be spelled out...

Back to health care - I pay for my health insurance and I pay my deductibles and copayments if I need a doctor, but guess what, I can see a doctor when I choose, who I choose, and I don't need a referral or approval. I am middle class, have worked hard my whole life - I do sales, so I've always been on commission, and I wouldn't trade the freedom of choice America offers for any handouts available in other countries. We have the freedom to succeed OR fail on our own merits. Education is available for those who want it through loans, grants, scholarships. I believe in the proverb "teach a man to fish" rather than "give him fish". That is the fundamental difference in our beliefs.

I've traveled Europe for months, a wonderful place...yet the people I met complained of Europe's high tax rate, low wages, difficulty in saving any money. My cousin married a swede and lives in Sweden. She says young people are unable to earn enough money to purchase a home, they must inherit it.

Why do all the celebrities who praise France and Europe and live there return to America to make their films? Because you can make a money in America - because opportunity is available. The more you rely on the state to provide for your needs: housing, health care, etc. the more influence and power you give them over your life and the less freedom you have.

So America bashers - bash away.

analy · 2 years ago

Ultimately the history books may say that the Nazis really did totally destroy France because it made them open their borders to all immigrants so they wouldn't appear to be racist. So they allowed massive immigration from the world's most destitute countries, and now the science of genetics is slowly discovering that the genes for certain kinds of intellligence are not equal among races and France is now something like 30% and growing of people who are actually scientifically genetically not as inteligent in the tasks to create a functioning modern society. France became so 'nazi damaged' that it cannot stop a massive flood of black immigrants who will leave a great civilization in ruins to rival Uganda or the Congo. That is simply scientific fact that is becoming more and more apparent and more and more undeniable. The French language is in decline globally because France insists on becoming eventually an African nation.

analy · 2 years ago

Norway will remain one of the world's premier nations as long as it can withstand the amazing tide of black immigration that is destroying the rest of western civilization.

Eyes Wide Open · 2 years ago

"Once we are done killing those towel heads we should pay Norway a visit and remind them why America is still number 1." Bwaaahahahaha what a moron, The "Mighty" US cant even overcome the city of Baghdad even given their F-16's, Apaches, M1A2 tanks and any amount of weapons :o) Iraq had it's military destroyed in Gulf War 1, and was then subjected to 10 yrs of sanctions, and yet the yanks cant even get control over (1) city in what is essentially a third world country?? Dumb fucken yanks, USA,USA,USA yeah right! When was the last time the US actually won a war?? The US is history, period, everyone knows it but you poor dumb bastards. God help you if the maniacs in the White House hit Iran, you can then remove your heads from your arses, stick them between your legs and kiss your arses goodbye. God help you all.

Eyes Wide Open · 2 years ago

What the really funny thing about Iraq is, these days the US barely leaves the relative safety of the "Green Zone" as everytime they do they get hammered to pieces. Heres a link to put in perspective the "might" of the US.... it's pretty funny.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/...

surf2liv · 2 years ago

we got too many jews and negroes for this to work in USA..google benjamin freedman..or protocols of zion

Draconius · 2 years ago

I had to laugh when I read some of the nosensical comments posted here. The British and other cowardly European ungrateful bastards talk a lot of garbage. These are the same pussies who are allowing their countries to be taken over by muslims. They are too afraid and politically correct to do anything about it. British healthcare is a joke, I've heard horror stories of people who have died waiting for substandard free care. They should never forget that if it wasn't for the good ol' USA they would all be slaves of the Russians. Bunch of commie ingrates if you ask me! No matter, in about 50 years the countries of Europe will be third wolrd Islamic shitholes. Pathetic!

George Monroe · 2 years ago

Want to know why?

ILL TELL YOU WHY.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/vjw...


......." About 3/4 of the approximately 2000 Norwegian Jews, were affiliated to this community in Oslo, or the smaller community, which had been established in Trondheim. The Jewish population, in Norway, has never exceeded this number."

THATS WHY ITS SO NON_SCREWED UP.

monroe · 2 years ago

See folks.. its simple.
Multiculturalism is crap - it is a weapon to weaken society.

And the people who preach it the most?.. well they just happen to be running things now, dont they.

Eyes Wide Open · 2 years ago

Hey Draconius, were getting together a group of 50 or so Aussies & Brits and we reckon we can have the Union Jack and the Southern Cross flying over the Whitehouse before Lunch, thats if we take it easy on you pussies.

Tjeerd · 2 years ago

Please wake up Europe, I left The Netherlands because if Islamo Fasict calling my daughter a whore in public and our governments do nothing, nothing, if Europe does not wake up quick they will find thenself begging to move to the USA, Australia, Canada soon. Be careful of who you bash, as you may need them later. Good bye my beloved Europe, may you wake up and be saved.

J-P · 2 years ago

Well it seems there are two kinds of people leaving comments here: those who are interested in meaningful debate and those interested in simple-minded put downs and abuse. Don't you realize that when you write a profanity laced comment and rely on pathetic one dimensional arguments you make yourself look like a fool and imply that you have no real substantive reasons to support your opinions. You might as well wave a white flag and say 'I have no good reason to believe what I'm saying but I'll say it anyway!!' THAT'S pathetic.

Brian · 2 years ago

JUST IN 12.Nov.2030: Malmo, Sweden, declares Independence, (YEAR 2030) Look at Bosnia to see the future of Europe

Jimmy Miller · 2 years ago

Fact is, Michael moore is lucky to be an American. He can spew his anti-American views all over creation and still reap the benefits of being an American, without any adverse effects. I firmly think that if flesh eating bacteria attacked his fat ass while camping in the Congo, he would board a private jet and go to Cuba.... NOT! His hypocrate, hippopotamus hind end would be seeking medical attention right here in the imperialistic, bastardly old U.S. So good for you Sir Michael, keep the big end up, and we know which end of you is the biggest.

Bob Hurley · 2 years ago

Go Michael,
I travel the world a dozen times a year and have used medical facilities in third world places that have been unbelievably better than the US. If your an american and you dont believe our government & president is corrupt its time to get a clue.

Jimmy Miller · 2 years ago

Hi liberal Canadian, I'm glad you think so highly of us Americans, I would like to remind you that everytime there is a natural disaster that wipes out maybe thousands of lives of people anywhere in the world, Americans like me, and volunteers all across the U.S. rush aid and assistance to them in any way possible. I'm happy that you would do the same for us.

Zack · 2 years ago

Can't we all just get along? America has some great people but the gov has a dark sided ruling class which is spreading out to the rest of the world. When America gets into world conflicts and wars, most people don't even know what's going on as everything is censored from the public and the public is controlled. People worldwide need to "wake-up" and pool together and makes things right "like Norway" for rest of the world.

Jimmy Miller · 2 years ago

Hello again liberal Canadian, I really like Canada, and I hope some day I will be able to visit. I also love my own country, and I support my government. I'm sorry that some think that we are all about consuming, and that we don't give anything in return. We don't have much oil, we rely on Canada for the majority of our oil, lately we have been trying to go greener, with ethanol enriched fuels,leaning towards hybrids, carpooling, public transportation, ect, and we have cleaned up our industries. Our major contribution to the world is agriculture, after all you can,t eat snow, dirt, and oil. Remember, we may occupy different space, but we are all from the same root, we are all human, flesh and blood, we all have feelings for our families, countries, and beliefs. As for the attacks on terrorism, we only responded after we were attacked. If I offended you in any way, my liberal Canadian Friend I sincerely apologize.

Jimmy Miller · 2 years ago

Hello again liberal Canadian, I really like Canada, and I hope some day I will be able to visit. I also love my own country, and I support my government. I'm sorry that some think that we are all about consuming, and that we don't give anything in return. We don't have much oil, we rely on Canada for the majority of our oil, lately we have been trying to go greener, with ethanol enriched fuels,leaning towards hybrids, carpooling, public transportation, ect, and we have cleaned up our industries. Our major contribution to the world is agriculture, after all you can,t eat snow, dirt, and oil. Remember, we may occupy different space, but we are all from the same root, we are all human, flesh and blood, we all have feelings for our families, countries, and beliefs. As for the attacks on terrorism, we only responded after we were attacked. If I offended you in any way, my liberal Canadian Friend I sincerely apologize.

Bill Shaw · 2 years ago

I have had enough of the America bashing! It's true we have not had a decent president for about 50 years now, but, to all of my European friends out there I say this. If we hadn't come into WW1,and WW2 you would no doubt be living in vastly different states. Most of you would no doubt be speaking Russian. Since many of you relish cutting down my republic. I think we should dismantle ALL of our bases that kept you safe for many years. Withdraw ALL of our troops from your respective lands. And finally, end ALL foreign aid to every nation on the globe. That should "appease" you all, and help the porest people in our own republic to get on their feet. So screw every one of you!

Morgan · 2 years ago

First of all, I hope Michael Moore dies of a heart attack. Secondly, Norway sounds like COMMUNISM!!!!

Justin · 2 years ago

Mr. Shaw -

What did you do in the last 50 years to change your country?
Really you want to cut the US military industrial complex spending all over the world?
I don't see how you think your owed something from Europe for letting the corporate machines run rampant all over your red, white, and battered derrier.

Regards.

Chuck U. Farley

Jimmy Miller · 2 years ago

Thanks Morgan, you get two thumbs up! I'm with you 100%

Vigilant · 2 years ago

How revealing. Jealous americans. Some of them, having falsely believed to be "the greatest country in the world" they refuse to be rational. The truth hurts. It is simple anger. It does not feel good to be know you have been duped. Pure, false, diabolical ego coming from those americans who will not recognize the truth - living compassionately. (NOT the U.S.) Norway is NOT a hypocritical, inhumane country believing in cruelty, lies for wars, deceit and atrophied brains (what little is left). Witless Americans! Wake up! Soon the dictatorship will consume you and yours. Continue to genuflect to the greedy rich while the needy poor are continuously trashed. This type of attitude will keep you servile - AS YOU WISH. Only those who THINK instead of follow will comprehend. Norway rules. Deal with it.

Peter Anderson · 2 years ago

>>Not to mention we are landlocked to some of the poorest countries in the world

Eh...Canada and Mexico?

The fact that you don't know which countries border your own country is not very impressive.

KIWI Bloke · 2 years ago

Just been having a good chuckle at the 'angry' responces. Im a New Zealander living in the US and I thought Mr Moores movie DID NOT show the real misery of the Americans I come across everyday. There are so many people here who just 'suffer' through not having medical access. It's bloody heart breaking!!! They dont get angry at me though when they ask about health care in my own native New Zealand. They all just shake there heads in disbelief and dare I say it .... frustration!!! If England, France, Norway, New Zealand ect. are considered Socilist countries because they 'allow' people the 'dignity' of affordable health care, then what kind of country is the USA? Its NOT the everyday Joes here who make the rules .... there just forced to abide by whats dictated to them.
Well, I have a couple more weeks to go before I pay off my $1290 emergency room visit (2 hrs) once thats paid, Im going back to my socilist country for decent medical care, double the pay for doing the exact same job I do here and edible food.
Oh .... and by the way the comment further down about WWI and WWII If the US had minded its own business about getting into WWI there probably wouldnt have been a WWII. AND .... even though both wars were fought .... the US didnt step up to the plate like many countries. I guess thats why there arent too many countries today, willing to help out more. Cant expect others to do the hard yards war after war without getting in yourselves and expect everybody to come rushing when YOU need help ..... Grow up chap

KIWI Bloke · 2 years ago

Just been having a good chuckle at the 'angry' responces. Im a New Zealander living in the US and I thought Mr Moores movie DID NOT show the real misery of the Americans I come across everyday. There are so many people here who just 'suffer' through not having medical access. It's bloody heart breaking!!! They dont get angry at me though when they ask about health care in my own native New Zealand. They all just shake there heads in disbelief and dare I say it .... frustration!!! If England, France, Norway, New Zealand ect. are considered Socilist countries because they 'allow' people the 'dignity' of affordable health care, then what kind of country is the USA? Its NOT the everyday Joes here who make the rules .... there just forced to abide by whats dictated to them.
Well, I have a couple more weeks to go before I pay off my $1290 emergency room visit (2 hrs) once thats paid, Im going back to my socilist country for decent medical care, double the pay for doing the exact same job I do here and edible food.
Oh .... and by the way the comment further down about WWI and WWII If the US had minded its own business about getting into WWI there probably wouldnt have been a WWII. AND .... even though both wars were fought .... the US didnt step up to the plate like many countries. I guess thats why there arent too many countries today, willing to help out more. Cant expect others to do the hard yards war after war without getting in yourselves and expect everybody to come rushing when YOU need help ..... Grow up chap

monroe · 2 years ago

"Michael Moore cut this scene from Sicko because no one would believe it"

Bullshit.

They didnt want you to see what white people do. They build civilizations. They always have.

They didnt want you to see white civilization as it used to be in the US, and every other european country.

The jews use other races to wreck societies and bring them under thumb. They were run out of other countries throughtout history for a reason. We were warned by our forefathers throughout history, over and over...Luther, Ford, Lindberg, etc etc - these were not misguided dumbasses, these were intelligent, smart, and great men.

Look at who pushed multiculturalism. Look at who started communism (the first jewish state). Look at who pushes for amnesty for illegals. Look who pushed for NAFTA. Look this stuff up. Look at who pushes for laws so that YOU cannot read what I have written here?

This video is proof of what can be, versus what is.

monroe · 2 years ago

Here.. chew on this.

http://www.daatemet.org/articles/article.cfm?ar...

This is from their own.

Ray · 2 years ago

I would love to move to Norway.

Someone wrote "The jews use other races to wreck societies and bring them under thumb."

Norway does not have a military industrial complex controlled by Israel and their Zionist lap dogs destroying their country.

I would give anything to move to Norway.

tsarnick · 2 years ago

Ray man, that's about the weirdest comment I've ever seen. Funny though.

Jerry Curle · 2 years ago

Norway has decent looking chicks. They give me Norwegian Wood.

Karlso Santana · 2 years ago

Americnas crazily think that they live in the 'best' country in the the world (<-prefered words 'in da world'). They look at speeches about Hitler and the Germans and have all kind of smart things to say, however, they are not realizing how fanatic they are themselves.
That brings me to their abyssimal health care system. Wow what a money making machine this is. I think the only disease where the US is ahead of Europe is cancer treatment. Not surprisingly because this is usually the most expensive treatment of them all.

You can only feel sorry for the Americans. They have to eat poisoned food, life is super expensive, health care that will drop them as soon as they really need help, they can and will get fired in 2 weeks, their public sector is pretty bad as well (ever used public transportation). Just take your car and drive a half hour outside of the big cities and see the trailer parks, the wooden shags or dog houses they are forced to live in. That brings me to my last point. The US is not a democracy that is the bottom line. In a democracy the people rule in the US only the rich and influential rule always, always denying the people government money and wasting it on socialistic projects. The US has a socialistic system for the rich. Example military equipment manuf. of products nobody needs, legislation that allows insurance company to drop individuals when they are sick...all these crooks go to Washington pay the politicians off who will then decide in favor of their pocket books (while in power or afterwards) and leave the mjority of Americans vulnerable. I am sorry for everyone that needs to live there.

Jerry Curle · 2 years ago

Karlso. America is NOT a democracy - it is a republic. The statistics about people not being covered by healthcare are not correct. Michael Moore is a communist with a camera (and a huge ass). Communists, Atheists and other radicals / minorities in the US are the most vocal about what they find wrong with the country. Instead of working to make it a better place - they are all to willing to lie and misrepresent their claims to people in other countries. People from around the world travel to the US for treatments and American Doctors treat people EVERY DAY with no money or means. Come visit us....

asuls · 2 years ago

It seems some on here are a bit confused as to what communism really is. I'm Norwegian, and the Communist Party is a small fringe party without seats in Parliament. Norway is rather middle of the road by European standards.

Politics in Norway is boring boring stuff, with small, middle ground discussions. Because we haven't got a two-party system, rather nearly ten parties represented in Parliament, co-operation has been the key. The only difference between the left and right is minor details and adjustments, because most of cabinets after WWII has been coalitions with a minority of the vote. No Norwegian party has alone been anywhere near having a majority of the seats in Parliament. Our current Government is a three party coalition.

Michael Moore is, obviously, making a bit of a meal out of this presentation. The Bastøy Prison is not for hard core prisoners, rather it's for short term prisoners of crimes like tax evasion, DUIs and other minor offenses. Obviously, we have maximum security prisons as well. The reason why we have prisons like Bastøy is because reform is a large portion of punishment. People deserve a second chance.

As for the paid holidays in the south, that's not for all. It's for people with ailments such as strong allergies and skin diseases that suffer because of our harsh winter climate.

As for the tax level, it's high indeed. Most people think the level is alright though, because it's just another way to pay for medical services and pensions. As such, it's not hand outs. You don't pay for, say, an operation when you're in hospital, you pay for it through 40 years of income taxes.

Karlso Santana · 2 years ago

In Europe, you generally pay a lot more taxes which will in turn give you a fantastic infrastructure and a solid (good but improvable) health care system.
Asuls, I do not think there is confusion about what socialism is. It is used as deragtory term od uneducated americans that have a hard time believing that it is or at least that something is better somewhere else.
It is usually labeled socialistic, liberal, elitist, European, unfair...these are all words that are laden with symbolism in the US, therefore used in the wrong context.
That is the other thing that is funny about the US. For example the US tv, media reports every so often that a burn victim (lately they come out of Iraq) was sent over from Iraq and treated in the US for free. Big deal.
I go over to Europe and there is a super small article in the local newspaper that 5 people arrived from xyz country for free treatment as part of a xyz program.
In the US that would be a propaganda feast. In Europe it is part of being socialistic, elitist, and liberal, I guess.

John · 2 years ago

Well Greg, you are how the "Right" always argues...from false premises. I would point out to you that yes, while the US did save Norway from the Nazis and held off the Communists, it was not you conservatives that did the work, it was a United States that was run by LIBERALS. When FDR declared war against the forces of fascism you Conservatives were dragged kicking and screaming all the way. Remember that the Republican Party was in bed with the German American Bund, a fascist organization, and that ten years before, your rich masters including many leading elite rich industrialists tried to overthrow FDR in a military coup replacing the Republic with a Fascist Dictatorship. Prescott Bush made his first million by laundering money for the Nazis.

It was Liberals who were responsible for setting up the programs that gave Americans a step up, to allow us to go to college, and to build the infrastructure that set our Nation up to have the best living conditions in the world and allowed the average guy to succeed in the American Dream. It was Liberal ideals that made our country into an economic powerhouse, where the tax on the rich under Eisenhower was in the 95% bracket. Conservatives have for the last twenty years been deconstructing this infrastructure turning the great USA into a big firesale for the greed-hogs to buy up to make themselves filthy rich and that would rule our great nation as corporate kings for THEIR benefit, and not yours or mine. I will have you know that Mussolini's definition for national rule by corporate elites is ... Fascism. Look it up. And all the while you "Conservatives" have been facilitating the turnover of everything that made America a great place to live in for the average guy into a place that is a great place to live only for the Rich Elites, all the while wrapping yourselves in the flag. The United States that my father fought for against fascism has now been turned into a quasi-fascist state catering only to the Rich Corporate Elite. So don't wrap yourself in my flag when you defend those neocons and corporate kings that have rubbed my father's efforts in WWII in the dirt.

If America had universal single payer healthcare, our industries would flourish, we could be competitive in the world marketplace, but you conservatives would rather have corporate serfs working for tiny wages and with no rights so as to maximize the money going to the Top Dogs. And those Top Dogs don't like any freedom or back talk from the little guy. Is that the America you want?

Besides, if you don't make over a million a year, the Ruling Class really don't think of you as a "Real American," they only look on you as a useful pawn.

Real Americans want our country to be great again, and we can start by getting rid of you neocon usurpers, unless you declare martial law and try to take the country over as a dictatorship, in which case we will fight. Vote the Bas***ds out! This is America - Love it or Leave It!

Joseph · 2 years ago

Until America decides to do away with the war on Drugs, our imperialism, and the federal reserve system we cannot afford to do any of this. We are 9 TRILLION in debt, how are we gonna pay for it? but if we did away with the Illegal and unconstitutional Fed Res then congress would do it's job and print the money and one way to distribute it could be through a health care system that is fair and equal. And if we did not have this absurd war on drugs(which is in reality a war on poor people who need help) our prisons would have about a tenth the number of people they currently have. The war on terror is a joke, as we are told to be afraid Osama is aroubnd every corner, yet the borders are totally insecure. Ans we have troops everywhere around hte world, and we need ot bring them home and truly protect the homeland.

Jim · 2 years ago

The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence! IMHO our problem in the US comes down to 1 thing - priorities. If the US could have a priority shift from accumulating money/wealth to the original goal of Life, Liberty & the Pursuit of Happiness, things would be so much better! I'm voting for Ron Paul in 2008 and hope he can start the ball rolling. He has, at the very least, planted the seeds of change in the younger generation.

Gabriel · 2 years ago

"Utopia" always has it price. Norway's tax structure, in order to sustain this, is over 50% of total income, and that does not include sales or commerce taxes like gas, food, etc. So, as in all socialist societies, you have the workers paying for the benefits of those who either cannot or will not work.

Part of true freedom is the freedom to starve if you refuse to be a responsible, working member of society, and it is quite regrettable that America has lost that ethic. Isn't there something in the Bible that says let him who will not work, not eat as well.

As a second point of contention regarding health care: It has been irrefutably shown that about 97% of health problems below "old age" (75 years plus) are behaviorally driven. That is, they are the result of people unwilling to deny their appetites and cravings for the simple, and superior purpose of caring for their single most precious possession -- their own bodies. They would rather eat "good tasting" crap that is poison to their physical bodies; they would rather stimulate some nerve endings for a short time, the results of which destroy their health, than to retain good health. And for this they want to require of the rest of us, who take the effort to care for this physical machine, to pay for their illnesses (read that: pay for their cigarettes, liquor, potato chips and other crap they stuff into that garbage disposal hole they call their mouths). Can anyone tell me, in all this, where the justice is in "universal health care"?

Sorry, I'm opting out. I refuse to pay any taxes that support someone else's death wish. I will just go on taking care of my body, allowing others the freedom to destroy theirs, and I will not be paying a dime to deter their chosen cause-and-effect they have created. To modify a metaphor: You’ve made your bed, die in it.

Karlso Santana · 2 years ago

@ Gabriel

You are pointing rightfully out that in the US the majority of people is fat, addicted to drugs, are fitness/muscle freaks, etc. Almost nothing is done in moderation almost everything is done in extremes.
The US as a country is a sick patient and Bush is just a symptom of this disease.
I would never, ever, ever want to trade with the an American for their fate to live in the US, ever.
So what people pay more taxes, so what some people are using the system? Better to have some lazy people that abuse the system to refuse help to people that may really need it.
Call us Europeans fags, Euro trash, liberals, communists who the hell cares what. At the end of the day I have the prvilege to live in Europe.

John · 2 years ago

Gabriel,
Spoken like a true individualist. Bear in mind that your taxes now support lazy Billionaires who pay less tax than you. You contribute to their welfare and for what? Your chance to be duped into believing that poverty stricken individualism is better than working together to achieve a better society for us 95% "little guy" Americans who pay the bulk of the bill? Hell yes, I would pay more taxes, and soak the rich for their taxes to be provided health care - free of charge, for whatever ails me rather than paying some fat cat private insurance exec for the privilege of having me pay half the bill in a co-pay so he can vacation in his third house in the Bahamas. Yes, I'd pay those extra taxes and force that fat cat to support me. Those people have wrecked our economy, put us into debt to the tune of $3 trillion, sent us to war for oil so they can sell it us at $100/barrel, and told us endless lies so they can take our money and wallow in greed. I have a good plan for all those of his private insurance owners and for all the 200,000 people that the insurance companies hire whose job it is to decline all my insurance claims...it is called unemployment! As for those Americans who have bought the right wing lie that we should be rugged individualists while they as a group individually fleece us for everything we have, I have another word - a "mark" (the target of a pickpocket). I don't know about you, but I'm through being taken advantage of.

David Smith · 2 years ago

What, a perfect place this Norway? Cops without guns? Social harmony?
Look deeper my friends and you will see such social progress is best accomplished among nations that are of the white race. Sounds terrible to say? I am a liberal who has, after a lifetime of study, have come to the same conclusion any intelligent individual will arrive at: that societies that are vastly white have a higher standard of living. This is not the result of racism, but is the result of certain individuals who (apparently) cannot function harmoniously, in peace and goodness. This is fact, but it is a truth that cannot be spoken.
Wake up! Demand accountability! Denounce the de-evolution of culture due to peoples who serve only themselves and act in ways that clearly demonstrates a lack of intelligent aelf-awareness.

Tuddi · 2 years ago

Greg said: "My cousin married a swede and lives in Sweden. She says young people are unable to earn enough money to purchase a home, they must inherit it."

Wow... should that be any news? Your cousin is a loser and tries to justify her own pathetic lifestyle by claiming everyone else being in the same situation.

What a moron.

I have lived in Norway, worked in Sweden. My sister was just moving from Norway to Denmark with her Swedish boyfriend. Like me, they'd just laugh at your stupid cousin.

Maybe it's the US DNA that's causing your cousin to be this stupid?

The US system in general is among the worst systems among developed countries... and it's probably too far gone to count the US amongst "developed nations". You still have death penalty as a part of normal life. You still have police killing people on daily basis, you still have war horny bastards running things for you, and last, but not least, you still vote in your dictators, rather than having a democratic system in place, where the people decide.

A sorry ass pathetic country if there ever was one... and it is funny how you sickomericans love to compare the US to places like Nigeria, Chad and other 3rd world countries, in order to show "how much better your country is"....

Pathetic, but predictable.

Simone · 2 years ago

It is sad to see erroneous, poisonous statements such as David Smith's. Just like every other peoples, cultures and races around the world, predominantly white cultures have their strengths and weaknesses. I'm proud of my white ancestry. But anyone with any knowledge of world history knows that no group has waged more war, killed,stolen, oppressed and enslaved as much as Europeans. Not only did we do these things against other whites, we've globally raped other lands and peoples. I think there are plenty of white people who are progessive and peace minded, but no matter how some Nazi minded individuals try to distort the facts, the truth will set us all free. Peace to you all.

Squarehead · 2 years ago

In '45, the northern part of Norway was actually saved by the Russians. They kicked out the Nazis and left when the job was done.

benbrown · 2 years ago

The healthcare is fine but it makes me sick to see how they treat criminals.

KitSileya · 2 years ago

A little about taxes in Norway, since a lot of you presume we pay so much. Taxes in Norway depend on how much you earn. The more you earn, the more you pay. Average percentage is 36%. In addition, we pay a salestax of 25% on goods and services, except food, where the the tax is 12.5%.

Taxes make up 42% of GNP, which is 2 percentage points more than the EU, according to the OECD, but we tax fortunes more than the EU does, and salaries less.

At the same time, for our taxes we get health care, child benefits, paid sick leave, education from primary school thru university, pensions, and probably a lot more that I can't think of right now.

Matt · 2 years ago

How do I get a passport or greencard to become Norwegian? I encourage everyone here in America to migrate to such a paradise as this... hopefully they have room for 30 million or so more.

How many Norwegians are there in Norway?

Nick · 2 years ago

...But if 'everyone here in America' migrated to Norway it wouldn't be paradise, would it? Do you think America was a mess 300 years ago? Paradise is based on the people, not the place. We can do the same anywhere.

Johno · 2 years ago

Please Americans... Stay in your own country!!! Don't immagrate to 'horrid sociallist' nations like Norway ect. You'd hate it! You have a wonderful country with a great guy running the place. Truely, you don't know how lucky you are. PLEASE!!!! Stay at home .... where you belong ..... land o the free.... home of the brave!! Come on, start waving your little flags again and tell us how wonderful you are and that you continually save us from the crime and evil that permeates 'our' other countries.
Oh and remember our foods are awful too. We have no idea how to make healthy snacks like burgers and fries properly .... thats why we all look like former Japanese Prisoners of War. Its true!! Everything outside the United States is 3rd world standard, PLEASE dont come to our countries!!!
Really, Americans ....you do yourselves a great justice by just staying at home in your great big huge wonderful country.
We'll stay on our side of the borders where its uckie and horrible and you guys stay on your side where its warm and safe.

PS The illegals that constantly keep sneaking in to the US .... I think there just miss-informed or lost. Can you please give them back.

Gabriel · 2 years ago

Well, John, the one thing you are missing in your logic – the very essential thing – is that you are opting into the plans of the very ones you despise for fleecing you. The entire purpose in all their hooting about how everyone deserves universal health care is to create a plutocracy where people like yourself are quite willing to take their handouts in exchange for the surrender of your soul. I mean no disrespect, but that is the ideology of a plow horse. You get it to pull your machine for you simply by providing it with daily sustenance. Humans are suppose to have much higher ideals and principles than that. You have been made willing to do a lot of good talking about how evil they are, and how everyone should rise up and "fix" the system, while at the same time you continue to pay for it. You said you would gladly pay more taxes to be able to "soak the rich for their taxes." Do you really believe what you wrote? Do you REALLY think that those guys whose money rules this system will be forced to do things your way. When was the last time, John, that you put a tooth under your pillow expecting the fairy to pay you for it. Well, you will have far more success getting rich that way than you will by trying to force those with the purse strings to change to suit you.

You called me an "individualist." Actually I am not. I am just a realist who sees the injustice of, among other things, forcing people to pay for the health care of those who intentionally ruin their health.

You also mentioned that the "lazy billionaires pay less tax" than I do. That is quite INcorrect. I pay no income taxes whatever, and haven't many years. I decided that for me to do so, was grossly immoral since the money went to pay for bombs, bullets and murderous war machines and their operators, to kill people who never hurt a single American. I speak of Iraq, of course, but I am a Vet who actually volunteered for Viet Nam out of patriotic fervor (another way of spelling "stupidity"), but I did receive one blessing out of that conflict – I learned from my mistakes. I would never again lift a finger to save this nation from being flushed into oblivion. That is where it belongs, and that is where it is going.

KARLSO SANTANA, you said, "Better to have some lazy people that abuse the system to refuse help to people that may really need it." That would be true – if it were true. It is not. You imply a minority of "lazy" people and a majority of those that "really need it." 'Scuse me sir, but that is entirely backwards from the truth and from what I said. My comment was based on the statistical fact that approximately 97% of the people who are ill and in need of health care, are so because they are either too lazy or too self-indulgent to take care of their bodies, and then expect those of us who do to then pay for their wanton stupidity. I simply will not. And there are mechanisms in place in every civilized society to care for those who are truly in need, but I would no more support a health system that rewards gross intemperance any more than I will pay for a heroin addict’s next fix.


Michael Moore is a good case-in-point. While I agree with much of what his documentaries present, I would bet his serum cholesterol level is sufficient to grease the axels on a truck, and were he not already extremely wealthy, he would very much want us to pay for his first heart attack and every succeeding one as well. And of course he has his many blind spots, politically too. If you watched Fahrenheit 911 you can see that the man seriously believed that if Al Gore and the Democrats had been put in power, all would be well – or at least much better. That has got to be the most politically myopic viewpoint one can imagine! If the Democrats were in power NOTHING would change – except perhaps some minor differences in how they spend other people's money.

Dan The Man · 2 years ago

If the truth be told, the American Dream was sold out before the ink dried on the "CON-stitution" in 1787 after the US defaulted on 17 loans from the British Crown and France. Hmmmm, anyone notice that King George III was also the King of France at this time....."My Enemy, My Ally".... Anyoen in the US ever hear of "MORTMAIN"? It rules this nation of states.

There has been and always will be a worm in the apple of any "Great Experiment", whether it happened to be the US or some other contemporary nation-state(s). Many have been brought to power, and then torn down to denigrate the human spirit, so it could then easily plunder the hopeless and stunned people. Norway, if it was cast in such a role, would be as ill-treated as the US is now. "Cast not a stone, lest it strike at the heart".
Between the Tavistock Institute, Ford Foundation, Club of Rome, Jesuit Societies, as subverted, and the numerous "Think Tanks" that invariably control the affairs of every nation through their own nefarious influences, (i.e. Bilderbergs), and the most insidous influence of the Vatican Assassins that brought you the wonderful and colorful parts of history such as the "Crusades", the "Dark Ages", and the "Inquisition" that DOMINATED EUROPE for hundreds of years, as well as the "Witch Trials" in America by the Puritans, whom of course were in bed with the East Indies Trade Company that founded the invasion of the North American continent in the 15 and 1600's, then do you not think that all the world would reach out in a necessary harmony to meet the needs of all? It is human nature from birth to give, but when trained by Elders to hate, despise, and to devour all that is meant to be shared by Our Creator, and to use RELIGION to thereby further their maniacal goals, then what choice was given these poor misguided children than to TAKE all they could in the name of their various GODS? DIVINE RIGHT is the true root of all EVILS! No one has a divine right to any property, resources, goods, or to nature other than Our Creator, for we are but finite waifs.
Collectivism, Communitarianism, Communism, Socialism, Capitalist, Nazi, are all just names of different systems of taxation, but if you follow "OUR CREATOR'S PLAN", then none of these systems rule. This planet was a gift from Our Creator for all to enjoy and to benefit from it's bounty. This is what the ones called, "Evil" seek to hide from you. This is not entirely accurate as they are not so evil as just DAMNED SEFLISH and EGO DRIVEN!
Until MANKIND learns to be as children are born, and UNLEARN the lessons taught by flawed Human Elders enslaved to ideology inconsistent with the WILL OF OUR CREATOR, then certain construction and DESTRUCTION of any and ALL CULTURES will continue until the end of time.

Cast not a stone, Lest it strike to the heart of the matter!

THINK!, DECIDE!, for it is the one thing "OUR CREATOR" never took away from any of us. HE/SHE/IT/DEITY/GOD gave us FREE WILL and the reason to CHOOSE! Now....the choice is yours.....
DECIDE.

Joseito · 2 years ago

As the pinko-commie-liberal-atheist that I am, I want to congratulate the country of Norway and thank Mr. Michael Moore for bringing it to us.

Too bad Norway has a cold climate; otherwise, I'd contemplate leaving the USA and relocating there one fine day.

Gabriel · 2 years ago

Well Dan, I can agree with much of what you say -- except the foundation principle of why we have all this trouble and evil.

You said "It is human nature from birth to give..." and this part is clearly false if you simply observe human nature. Take a baby's toy away, or cross his will in any other manner, and he would literally kill you if he could. But fortunately he is not physically capable of that, at least until his parents have had the opportunity to civilize the little heathen.

You see, the problem is not countries, politics, religions or societies. The problem is the heart of man, and the "Great Experiment" is not America, it is God granting a rebellious race the opportunity to prove whether or not they are capable of governing their affairs apart from Him. Clearly they are not, and the "Great Experiment" is about to shut down – forever.

Jabe · 2 years ago

Ahhh, Gabriel..
The latest "god will end their race forever' rhetoric.. You seem like an intelligent person, can you please get beyond this paper tiger that was written BY Man, with a sole purpose to Control Man and to reap money through extortion (tithe).

Religion has caused more strife and slaughtered more lives in the World throughout the history of time than all other reasonings of War COMBINED!

Live and let live, and stop looking at the World through your narrow minded, jesus colored glasses..

Jabe · 2 years ago

Thank you Mr Moore, for exposing these Global Elitist and their corrupt agenda..

Please continue your excellent work..

http://spokenrealism.blogspot.com

Eyes Wide Open · 2 years ago

Oi Joseito, The UN just ranked the countries of the world on human development, wealth, quality of life etc, (1) Iceland (2) Norway & (3) Australia...the US came in at 12, so if you dont like the cold or Fascism (US) and you have a trade or skills The Oz is always an option, plenty of Sun, Surf, Bikinis, and BEER? And among the finest human beings on the planet

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21989185/

BCPipes · 2 years ago

There Michael Moore goes being disengenuous, again! Notice he doesn't film Norway in the winter time! I think Norway is ranked by the UN as somewhere around 150 for livable winters.

All snark aside, I would still live there in a heartbeat if I wasn't too old to learn a new language.

Ted · 2 years ago

What the Norwegians have proved, is that if you treat inmates like humans, they will behave that way. Other prisons around the world treat prisoners like wild animals, and they behave that way too.

Ted · 2 years ago

What the Norwegians have proved, is that if you treat inmates like humans, they will behave that way. Other prisons around the world treat prisoners like wild animals, and they behave that way too.

Ted · 2 years ago

What the Norwegians have proved, is that if you treat inmates like humans, they will behave that way. Other prisons around the world treat prisoners like wild animals, and they behave that way too.

God · 2 years ago

Religion is NOT the cause for most of the world's problems. GREED IS!!!! Religion is simply a tool used by the greedy to control populations and their resources to be exploited by the rich and greedy and keep them in power throughout the developed world!

jean · 2 years ago

I was in Norway this year and was totaly blown away by the highly civilized well kempt society. Property, even privately held property, is available to the general public to hike or camp (tho not to squat) they enjoy a wonderful year round active outdoor life and the consider the general rather than the individual good. It is such a small country that I suppose makes it more manageable. Viva la Norway!

M. Freret · 2 years ago

Is there any hope when there are people like Gabriel who's only desire is to poison the well?

Francois · 2 years ago

wow. treat murders with kindness. give them a job cutting trees with a chain saw instead of cutting up humans. what a country. I guess they didn't learn their lesson when the Nazi's came into their country and killed many Nor's. What a bunch of idiot's.

Graham Cole · 2 years ago

Moore got it wrong. Australia is the social Paradise, unless you're an illegal, then they round you up and imprison you on the Pacific Island of Naru.

marien · 2 years ago

Wow... what do I need to migrate there?

Brian · 2 years ago

Scandinavia is not all perfect, many problems not mentioned in video.

http://www.moriel.org/articles/discernment/isla...

Pat Williams · 2 years ago

My brother moved to Sweden with his Swedish significant other. There are pros and cons. He likes the tolerance and social expection of fairness. They are breeding dogs again. They had to stop back here because it was too difficult trying to screen buyers who would not abuse the animals. In Sweden, spanking a child is against the law. They live near a large lake that is so pure people draw their drinking water from it. Boats sail on the lake in the summer. There are many elderly their neighborhood who live comfortably in their homes past 100.

John · 2 years ago

Wow. Looks like quite a few angry Americans upset at the spanking there getting here!
How can they possibly argue being better than everyone else on the planet though?

1.They are ranked 27th in the world in education.

2.They have more people per capita locked up, on parole or on probation than any other county (5 million)And the DEATH Penalty???? I thought that was a tool for 3rd world or developing countries?

3. They have more than 3 million homeless (including those who live in shelters ect)And growing .....

4. Health care ..... well, we know about that one.

5. There basic wage is around $7.50 an hour. Little wonder the standard of living doesnt compare to most developed Nations.

6.Two thirds of the worlds illegal drugs are used in the US, 5% of the worlds population?

I guess yanks are justified in defending there superiority to the world?

They have more Aircraft Carriers, Nuke Subs, and warplanes to back it up .... and they've ocupied more countries since 1945 than Adolf Hitler in the name of FREEDOM

Ah!!! Better visit Norway soon before it's taken over by invading slobs armed with digital cameras, butt bags and poor dress sense.

David · 2 years ago

"Wow. Looks like quite a few angry Americans upset at the spanking there getting here!
How can they possibly argue being better than everyone else on the planet though?"

How DARE you?!?!?! America's way of doing anything is better than anyone else's. Just ask God.

Keith · 2 years ago

Michael Moore *always* films a cartoon. The real world is often inconveniently complex when one's objective is to make the evidence for one's point look as incontrovertible as possible. Put another way, Michael Moore's arguments are like the ones you have in your head before you starting talking to the guy who disagrees with you.

That said, the US healthcare system does suck. We pay more on health per capita ($3k/y) than anyone else (I think the developed world averages $2k/y) and our lines for doctors are not much shorter than the ones in Britain and Canada. And our taxes are very high, honestly not that much lower than in Norway, Sweden, France, etc.

High taxes are a bad thing when you don't get much for them. What we get is miltary spending, mostly because we're addicted to buying missiles in the same way we're addicted to gasoline - both drive our economny in ways we're not even prepared to acknowledge. At least we get a lot of that, but I'm not sure I'm personally seeing any tangible benefits from it (and I suspect I'm seeing some possibly serious drawbacks to it). What we *don't* get is spending on infrastructure, health care, education, etc. - even the Democrats don't spend much on these things. And it's a tradeoff, you can't have everything.

The one thing that really should be clear to everyone is that having companies that expect to make money - and increasing amounts of it every quarter to satisfy stockholders - is *not* the way to keep healthcare inexpensive. I don't care how inefficient you expect government to be, the profit motive is a powerful force; and when *everyone* needs a commodity literally just to survive, it's a no-brainer that it will be expensive. All the idealism in the world won't change that simple fact.

Just don't take Michael Moore's "doumentaries" at face value. You'll lose a lot of arguments you could have won if you'd only used facts.

Angel · 2 years ago

I pay federal taxes, here in the US at a rate of 38%, and I have to pay a State income tax and a sales tax of 9%. For all this, I get a complete idiot as president, fellow citizerns who can barely speak English (although it is the ONLY language they do speak), have no health insurance now, live in post-Katrina New Orleans, pay for killing innocent civilians in Iraq, must hire people from a pool of poorly educated, but patriotic morons...and so on, ad infinitum.

Mike · 2 years ago

Michael Moore is a straight up idiot. Norway's government pays for people to take a two week tropical vacation? And that's a good thing. So everybody else in the country is paying taxes so some dude can get a vacation? Maybe that person should work, save up his money and take a vacation. Then he won't have to ask the government whether or not he can do it.

When you claim a right to anything - food, education, shelter, healthcare, vacations, anything - you are claiming the right to force me to pay for it. And nobody has that right.

Mike · 2 years ago

Moore confuses economically liberal values and socially liberal values.

The Soviet Union paid for your healthcare and gave you as much time off of work as you needed for it. They paid for people that couldn't take the cold of winter to go to a retreat in an area with a warmer climate.

If you committed a crime in the Soviet Union and were sent to a labor camp you did not come back.

That is the difference between economic values and social values. So the second half of the video is absolutely useless. Not to mention that he praises a country that allows murderers to just go out and chill with the rest of the population. There are no words for that kind of stupidity.

Subsist · 2 years ago

People always mention the cold? Well, yeah if you lie in the north it's fucking cold, but down south (where I live) it's all good.. In summer it's about 25-30c degrees and in the winter it might be as cold as -10degress but mostly around -5.

But yeah, we pay a lot of taxes but earns heaps of money too. Sure, there is bad things about Norway too, hell, there ain't a single country that doesn't have a bad thing..BUT we do have a superb health care system. Still some problems with it, but better than America. And thats what the movie is about!

Wayne · 2 years ago

American conservatives when confronted with anything that threatens their ignorance choose to repeat the same old vindictive and spiteful rebuttals- the conservative party line--criminals should be punished severely even if all it does is make them more criminal, taxes are evil- because conservatives are selfish and don't want to pay taxes- they want society to benefit them but not cost them, big government sucks- because it challenges them and on and on. They're willfully stupid. They intend to make a square peg fit a round hole. They don't care that it makes no sense. All they care is that it appeals to their devious, selfish, spiteful little souls.

GPW · 2 years ago

The lying Republicans hate Moore for a simple reason: Their credo is that it does not matter what the truth is, as long as you can stop people from telling the truth. Millions of registered Republicans will say anything that they think will win elections, in order to prevent liberal reforms. The war in Iraq is not the disease with Republicans; it is a symptom of the disease. Health care, public education, public transportation, pollution, war -- the Republicans are the same on every issue.

Chris · 2 years ago

From oil production alone Norway is making about $20,000 per person per year! (2.8 million barrels per day for 4.7 million people at about $90/barrel). I didn't even calculate natural gas income which easily adds more per person and pays for the costs involved.
What country in the world wouldn't be as nice if it had so much for each person ON TOP OF about 60% tax rate?!

Source: www.ssb.no

Grappa · 2 years ago

What the right wing fascist like to call big Government,but in reality its really about cooperation. Totally foreign concept to those who only have been programed to know competition.

Mugsy · 2 years ago

This scene was most likely cut because it has less to do with healthcare than it does about the Norwegian prison system.

Cultural differences prevent any such system from ever working here. Same cultural difference was exhibited in "Bowling for Columbine", where it was shown Canadians have more guns but a vastly lower murder rate. It's not the guns, it's our violent culture.

RJ · 2 years ago

The comments here are sad. You have people like Otis Toole who just want to call MM fat. People who want to attack Norway. You just don't get it. He isn't trying to get you to move to Norway. He is trying to get you to see that there are other ways, better ways of doing things. Why the heck aren't we using energy from our waste treatment plants to heat our homes? I'll tell you why, because it would hurt some fat-cats profit margin, and that fat-cat has a good lobbyist group. There are bad politicians on both sides, but if you look at the last 10 years there are maybe 1 or 2 dems who have been caught with money in their freezer, but that doesn't come close to the number of corrupt republicans who are working to rob this country blind for corporate profit and greed. No one is talking about the Jack Abramoff scandal and all the crooked republicans he was involved with anymore. No one is looking at all the lobbyists and corporate insiders that Bush has appointed to regulate the industries they work for. People have to change the way they think, stop with the partisan bs and turn off Fox News Propoganda. If the tax dollars were being spent on things we need instead of pouring into Halliburtons bank account we might all be better off and we might not mind paying our fair share. If we can strap 12 billion in cash to pallets, and let Halliburton get away with "misplacing" 9 billion of it with no consequences, we could probably handle the health care problem. In fact a good start would be to hold companies like Halliiburton accountable for their actions and for robbing our tresury for their greed.

richard · 2 years ago

Unfortunately, people of Otis Tool ilk inhabit most of America. Read "Deer Hunting with Jesus" by Joe Bageant and learn more. Blind name calling is just that blindness. Let's talk, exchange ideas, think and vote.

Leo · 2 years ago

If America's population was made up of only white people, I would love to live that way too. But with our population, it would never work. The blacks would still not be happy and hispanics would over-crowd the place. If Norway keeps allowing in the North Africans and Arabs, the good life will be over for sure. I'm naturally inclined to liberalism such as we see in Norway but only in a 99.8% white European country. I don't mind .2 non-whites but anymore is way too much diversity. Good video.

chrs · 2 years ago

all you fags worshippin america are rediculous

your ancestors did all that work, not you, so get off the cock and maybe we can all learn something

palestinian anarchist · 2 years ago

The difference between American and Norwegian foreign policy is also huge… in a time that America is attacking Iraq and sending more weapons to Israel and threatening Iran and Syria. Norway and Sweden r the highest contributors of aid to the Palestinian authority and Palestinian refugees. Many of my friends benefited from Norwegian aid programs for supporting talents in art and empowerment of women. And a lot of my friends also suffered either from wounds or from fatal attacks by the Israeli army which uses American weapons.

By the way, greetings to my anarchist comrades in Norway!

Azrael · 2 years ago

It just a dream now for all you white monkeys. Your demonic race is fading away. People of color are the original kings of this earth. Your people are a disease upon this planet. Just keep crying about how you country is changing. and by the way when we Americas get together we kick everyones ass!!! Race wont matter, when Americans unite and find common, and when the majority realize we have been lied to we will put an end to this war and end the reign of Bush the Tyrannt.

Lola M · 2 years ago

sorry for my spelling/grammar errors in the prior post. I should have proofed it more carefully before I sent! :(

Fuck or Suck Norway? Commercia · 2 years ago

Nice commercial for more taxes!!! I am grown up in Norway. Did the film ever tell you that you pay 35-50% income taxes (depending on your income)? Did the film tell you that we pay 25% VAT for everything we buy except food which has 14%VAT? Did the film tell you that a Skoda Octavia 1.9TDI (4X4) cost USD 60.000? Did the film tell you that 85% of all prisoners are people from Pakistan, Iraq, Iran, Vietnam, Phillipines and Thailand? But there is some positive aspects they didnt tell you, listen to this: If you are 65 years old, get a permit to stay and work, work for 2 years only- you will get a life time pension of USD 25.000. The pension can be paid to any bank account in the world, and its tax free.... If you work, and something happens to your health and you cant work anymore, you will get your monthly payment up to 100% of your yearly income, until you die - no matter if you are 20 and die when you're 100 years old...So this is a invitation to all of you that want to work - short or long term. For USD 100.- we get all the papers you need, give you advise how to fill out the form. This is a LOTTO where everybody wins! So, just email me, Norway need workers in construction bussiness!!!

Olli · 2 years ago

Regarding to an unarmed Police. Its a matter of fact, there hasnt been killed policeofficers in Norway the past 4-5 years.... But, this is pretty interesting. Most of the police have their weapon in the trunk of the car, but they have to get a permit from the police headofice to arm them self.... So, during a bankrobbery they take their speaker and yallow to the criminals; OK guys... Freeze - Otherwhise I have to call my chief to arm my self, this is warning, bla bla bla....

Olli · 2 years ago

Dear Andy, Do you live in Norway? First, in capital of Oslo there is 20% immigrants, about 100.000 - and over 60% of them are unemployed! People paying low tax as below as 30% are either suffering from high debt or low income, under USD 38000

everyone · 2 years ago

even aside from this, norway's the closet thing to paradise you can get.

David Roberts · 2 years ago

It is the nature of man to be aggressive, territorial, and protect their young. Within that same nature their is the capacity to be generous and faithful. Fight or Flight. Pain and Pleasure. This has nothing to with atheism or religion. In Society it is power, wealth, image and control vs generosity, compassion and service. There is always a gossip outlet. This has nothing to do with religion or atheism. Some do not want to think about how we came to be here, why we are here, and where we are going. There are two groups that think they know. Fundamentalists and radical atheists. This has nothing to do with religion or atheism, but it has a lot to do with killing and intolerance. If someone, language, a culture, a different region, ignorance of their life creates fear and misunderstanding. This is human nature and these are the roots of war and anger. Communists have killed and so have orthodox fundamentalists. Atheists have killed and so have so-called religious people. It is not religion. It is not religion and it is not atheism. It is institutionalized and centralized power of human nature. Our survival is cooperative, not one group overpowering another to the detriment of their very existance.

Jeffrey Mironov · 1 year ago

No society is perfect... but there is no doubt that we all can improve our immediate circumstance and the societal conditions we live within. Other people and other societies are making genuine progress and realizing creative gains and benefits that are within the reach of all of us. We can learn from those individuals and societies that are finding a better way in the midst of an extremely difficult and complicated human experience. Getting these alternative possibilities that are in fact being realized into public view and thye mainstream media is key and essential to bringing awareness to what is possible for us all. Demanding this kind and quality of information from our media outlets is crucial in encouraging them to bring enlivening information into the spotlight as opposed to the fearful, troubling, and sensationalistic forms of news that have become the norm. Let's let the media moguls know that there is alternative information that we prefer as remedy for the poor and impoverished conditions that prevail in our weary communities.

Slavko · 1 year ago

This comment is directed towards the Sicko movie, rather than the idyllic situation in Norway. At the very start of the Sicko movie, i saw this unbelievable fact - the doctors asked for 60,000 dollars to re-attach the top of a finger! That alone shows you how far the whole thing went! It's a general perversion of the monetary system, the unbelievable lack of balance throughout the world!
Some people in Europe can live about ten years with that kind of money, and still have their fingers attached any time they get cut off by accident! Even in such poor countries where you can survive with 200$ a month, you will have no problem with that kind of thing.

My question is:
HOW DO THEY GET AWAY WITH THAT??

WHY DOESN'T SOMEONE STOP THIS AND TAKE AWAY THE POWER FROM THE PEOPLE WHO ALLOW THIS KIND OF PERVERSIONS??

And let me tell you one thing... that chart that shows Slovenia being beneath the U.S. on some kind of chart ... (with a little video showing and ridiculing a Slovenian traditional folk dance).... that made me laugh my ass off.. Slovenia has 1000 times better health care... what is this chart based on ??? I guess that Slovenia is much closer to Norway than the U.S. if you would only make an objective healthcare chart..
Even the guys who want to make a difference in the U.S., like Michael Moore are wrong.. even they don't see the big picture and don't present the right kind of data... but i guess that's only normal ;]

Slavko · 1 year ago

UPDATE:
Just watching the rest of the movie, and i wanna add one thing: America is cruel, oh so cruel and so focused on money and power. And i can't believe the lies that people in power get away with (the part where they LIE on TELEVISION abotu Canada's healthcare).

IT'S JUST OUTRAGEOUS !!!

And later, when Micael Moore comes to England.. i guess an average American can be scared into thinking that England is going communist too !

WHY DON'T YOU FIGHT THIS, DUDES ??????? !!!!
GET THE LIARS OUT OF THEIR COMFY SEATS !
STOP BEING SO STUPID !

Anarcane · 1 year ago

I would appreciate this video more (Moore?) if Mr. Michael Moore didn't have that sardonic and sarcastic droning voice which sets a tone that puts the viewer in a particular frame of mind. Either it bolsters the already negative views of hopeless anti-American/anti-Republican extremists, or it drives those on the fence towards an anti-liberal defensive posture, when they might otherwise consider this information to be fresh and inviting, and possibly worthy of considering in this country.We all understand that there are things that should be and in fact MUST be changed in regards to how this country and its people are progressing forward, but when Michael Moore condescends and forces this down our throats like we are small children who have some lesson to learn, I admit I am turned off. I believe that America made a mistake when it decided to let government do the thinking for us, and make no mistake, we've given our presidents far too much power and have done so LONG before "Bush/Cheney". The buzz-words disgust me. "Bush" this, and "Bush" that, or "Democrats" this and "Clinton" that. HELLO! What the hell is wrong with people? Finger pointing and name calling are preschool behaviours. Oooooh!!!! Georgie did a bad thing! I'M TELLING!!!!!!! Ooooooooooh! did you see what Billy did with Monica? I'M TELLING!!!!!! get OVER IT! do something about it that's PROACTIVE!!!! Run for office! Vote for more than just the president! Make a donation to your favorite cause. SOMETHING, but don't just sit there and waggle your little fingers and say "SOMEONE SHOULD DO SOMETHING". Someone? Who is that? You? Me? Little Joey in the corner with his thumb up his ass? Look, i KNOW that this video seems like the perfect example of what we're missing out on and just ONE MORE reason to vote democrat and not republican. But that's the problem, you see. GOP vs. DEMS. Who the F@#$ cares? Get over yourselves and vote for who makes the most sense. If it's Ron Paul F-ing vote for him. If it's Obama? F-ing vote for him. But for your sake don't LIMIT yourselves to narrow-minded views simply because you're fed information from narrow-minded people. Take EVERYTHING with a grain of salt and DO YOUR RESEARCH. There is ALWAYS another side to EVERY story. A government designed by the citizens (by way of their vote)to support the citizens is VERY different from a government which proposes to "coddle" and "protect" citizens which it believes are incapable of doing these things for themselves. For the people. By the people. We... the people. Not "Them. The leaders". If we give away the power to choose, the power to decide for ourselves, then we lose everything this country was built upon. There is a fine line we walk, and it is a burden to have to make these hard decisions. But alleviate that burden, and we lose all freedoms. 1984, A Clockwork Orange, Brave New World, Fahrenheit 451 (NOT 911), and a host of other novels were NOT just blowing smoke. GET OFF YOU PARTISAN ASSES and make REAL decisions, even if they cross party lines. This video speaks volumes and should not be disregarded as poignant and informative, but people like Michael Moore only serve to preach. Be wary, and be informed. Most importantly, be proactive.

Anarcane · 1 year ago

Edit: this video should not be disregarded as IT IS poignant and informative.
- for clarification

Al · 1 year ago

I live in Norway and can testify to the genuineness of this report. I find it sad though, that this piece is considered controversial.

It is actually a rip-off from 60 minutes, who made a very similar report a few years ago. Also then it was made into a big deal.

John · 1 year ago

Republicans... Why do you want to use your tax-money on killing both Iraqis and your own soldiers instead of making healthcare better? It is beyond my understanding. Invading a country for non-existing weapons? We have the CIA for gathering intelligence.
Bill Clinton gave the rest of the world the impression that we Americans weren't as bad as they thought, then Bush Jr. came and ruined it all. Way to go, republicans...

Slavko · 1 year ago

@ Anarcane - good points but don't go bashing Moore for telling us some obvious things and deliberately using such a stupid voice.
Moore speaks to the un-educated and mis-informed (90%? 95%?)
All the people who allready know this should be on his side because it's the only way to wake some of those other people up.
There's too many stupid people arround and whoever's in power, and whoever comes to power next will practically do the same thing - make them more stupid by telling them lies or pointing them in the wrong direction for his own benefit.

@ John & Anarcane together:
If i hear one more word about Republican, Democrat, Liberal or Conservative, i'm gona puke. This s**t is way beyond that.

Voting alone isn't gona change anything!

You gotta MAKE the ones who get voted next to change things and make them right and true, instead of all the lies and wrong things we encounter in our everyday lives. Gotta make THEM understand that it's just their job to make our lives better (OUR = THE WORLD). Let them know that they're not IN POWER but merely performing a a function they're supposed to be qualified for.

Get informed, see through their very obvious, thin lies. It's the politicians who are insulting our intelligence, most of all.

Robert Kunferman · 1 year ago

Reply to Slavco:

You must be smart enough to know then, Salivaco, that you would be spending time in jail if you go up against the power that does not even count the votes at this point. I have spent time in jail for doing nothing more than speaking and calling them thieves, so tell us how dedicated you are after you have had them try to fuck with you and your family.

Otherwise just keep wishing they go away, and that Jesus is returning soon.

As far as that drip piece of shit Moore, he supports the Democrats that strike deals with insurance companies faster than the re-pubelichens do.

In Wisconsin, our governor showed up with unsurance financed marketing firms from Boston to get elected. Then he went on vacation to China and Ireland for his first administration, came home just before his next election, then through some money to the lazy do nothing DNR and the near do nothing right school teachers, and got re-elected.

I will give the stinking Irishman governor this much, he doesn't even have to try very hard, because the guys running against him think that they should be able to steal land from anybody they feel like stealing it from and give it to their friends. This state is real third world. Come visit, and I will give you a tour of criminal cases against more than one person, that would scare you into wishing that the enquisitions would start again.

Number one growth industry in Wisconsin = The private prison industry. The people in the courthouse intend to keep it that way, and they are dumb enough to think that is a great idea.

All you have to know about the insurance industry in this country is that it is underwritten/re-insured entirely by three companies in England.
Moore is too cowardly and too connected to the Dem party to tell you that, because those same three companies buy and sell your democratic party. All of this money goes through Massachusetts or New York on the way out of this country to England(just paper I know, but obviously that is your wealth and future opportunity.)

If you want to know how corrupt and bad the insurance companies can make your government, then just go out and try to use that piece of paper that the companies sold you. Why ask Moore if it works? Just go try and use it for anything other than a physical and see how miserable they make it.

A final word: This country has tons of people in prison for doing nothing more than trying to collect on a life insurance claim. If your spouse dies and you go to collect on the claim, the insurance companies and their private investigation firms will find a local detective or sheriff to make it look like you killed her(tons of people in prison for this). If you don't settle for less than half of what the policy says you are owed, you will be in prison or at least tried by a jury of your idiot peers that work in a government job and haven't had a hard dick or seen one for half a decade.

Why didn't Moore mention this? He is a fucken two-bit weasal, that cannot afford to tell the truth or the Dems will close down his fat farm for not giving equal time to other people's duck calls from the latrine.

Just in case you think that the judges and skumbag district attorneys will protect you: In every county and city that has elected judges and district attorneys, they have insurance companies as the largest single contributors to their campaigns. Ask the fucken skumbags where they get their money from, and you will have some girl claiming you fondled her genitalia.

Moore is another phoney distraction, but he says more than the other media trash nobody should listen to.

No offense, but you people have not lived very much if you have not figured this out.

If you are waiting for somebody else like Moore to do your bidding for you, then you barely deserve your rights.

To his credit, Moore is afraid of being jailed for telling the truth, just like he should be, so he censors himself like all cowards do.

Now get down to that courthouse and fight for your rights. Call me from jail a few weeks later at (612) BR-549.

Bob · 1 year ago

That is incredible. Naturally, it won't really be that perfect seeing as it is Michael Moore reporting and nothing he says is ever the whole truth. But even so, it is still incredible. The problem is the context. The USA is so huge and has so many different cultures within it that it must be near impossible to enforce a system such as Norway's over the entire country. I live in Britain and I find it hard to imagine that working easily over here, so how it could ever work in the US is beyond me. And I have to say, people moan enlessly about the NHS in Britain, so our health service certainly isn't perfect. But it still sounds infinitely better than the US's "service".
Maybe our countries couldn't work like that because we're all just so angry the whole time. "Arrgh! They let a murderer work in a forest with a chainsaw! They must be mad! Let's lock up the murder along with the people who thought it was a good idea to rehabilitate the murder and see how they like it! Yeah, that's a good idea. Kill them all".

Andreas · 1 year ago

I live in Norway too.
I love it ^^,
Doh, as Siro says, the prices are realy high :(.

Robert Kunferman · 1 year ago

Thanks Frederik. I enjoy Norwegians, and my wife is about 50% Norwegian. I enjoyed Trondem , Oslo, and the norther border where I saw a huge Reindeer herd, that took me awhile to figure out it was moving.

Your good people, and your conclusion that we are no longer a democracy here in the USA is spot on accurate. This decline in our democracy started long before George Shrub got into office, and I am sure that you know that as well.

If you send me information on how to be granted assylum or how to work in your country, I may become one of Y'all. I have seen enough of this monkey show to make me sick to even look at any government officials. Even the very few necessary ones.

Daniel · 1 year ago

This is an answer to perfect Frederick. I thought I should point a few things too. You, European feel that you are righteous. After pillaging the word for 500 hundred years, now you feel superior to anybody else. While my loved USA is not perfect, we have to do the dirty work for tiny and not so tiny countries that are unwilling or unable to do by themselves. What are the norses best known for: the brutal Vikings! I would like to know the latest Norwegian accomplishment since dynamite. Not for medical discoveries, drug development, computer hardware or software, technical developments of industrial machinery, cars or planes. Certainly are not excelling in the arts, music, movies, theater. Not the most generous economic aid giver to poor nations. Norway can exist because USA produces for them all innovation and so you can enjoy them without a penny spent in development. Norway can exist with their island mentality because they ban immigration that would dilute that blond hair, those pretty blue eyes, or proud mid class. No wonder they cozy up with Hitler a few years ago. And then I quote you with your charming own words "all you racist, right-winged Americans screaming comminusts and zog-slaves, spare me..."
Frederick: spare meeeeeeeeeeeee

Robert Kunferman · 1 year ago

Reply to Daniel:

I think that Frederik just stated openly that,"We are a democracy, the US isn't. We have a literate, well-educated population and a strong middle-class. The US has an illiterate, poorly-educated population with a large diffentiation between the high a low classes, and a middle-class that is under a lot of pressure. We are a society based on care, equality and liberty, the US a society run by homosexual men that makes worship to Moluch, sacrificing "dull care", invading and occupying numerous countries, chem-trailing its own population and spying on its own population."

I agree with Frederik. He also stated very plainly in his first sentence that he would like to change some things about his society, personally, not as a dictator would.

We are no longer a democracy, our government is letting people poison us so that they can help British pharmaceutical companies re-poison us with a pseudo-cure(s), and we have no control over any of this, because the British run our media for dullards like you to adhere to simple minded rhetoric. that is where I also agree with Frederik that the majority of us are intentionally kept uneducated and socially castrated.

The Norwegians were forced by NATO and the UN to take on immigrants that had no business wanting to be Norwegians, and made terrible Norwegians. That was done just to try to harm them as a nation, not because goofballs wanted to live there.

They are remarkably decent and civilized people, as compared to stupid Americans. And there are few Americans that are not stupid. In or out of the University setting where they squander our rights away for the drug companies, literally poisoning us.

Try to read for detail, rather than agenda. Thenm compare what your government gives you in return for all of the taxes we have, and what other governments return to their citizens. We only get stolen from, then we steal from other countries to give it to Britain. We are a colony of Britain still, and we are using my tax dollars to benefit thieves.

You spend to cover this war and our failed banking, but you spend your own money for that foolishness. Not mine.

Cosito · 1 year ago

Robert Kunferman , I could not understand a word of what you were try to say on your response to Danny.Certainly either you have never been to the USA or you have been adoctrinated wrong by your teachers when attending a "free" school sytem or simply your communications skills are poor.
Frederik is wrong , the USA is a democratic country.
Frederik certainly needs the free Psychiatric care that the " wonderful" system in Norway provides for "free", also Robert, Your statement that the US is a society ran by homosexuals denotes a personality who has the capacity to fantasize about conspiracy theories. Maybe you need to fly to Norway and be examined .
But you still have not answered Dannny's statement What have Norway discovered lately ?
What has been the latest contribution to the world?
The USA has a failed banking sytem? That is simply not true.
Go read more about the USA and maybe even visit the Country and you will know that the people here are as wonderful and decent as in Norway.

Robert Kunferman · 1 year ago

Reply to costello:

Where is Elvis, nitwit??

OK, I just took from what Frederik said and put quotes around it, told you that it was from Frederik, and you are so ignorant and stupid, that yopu thought I said it, so I will now pick a few quotes at a time, so you don't have to wear your finger out trying, TRYING, to read.

First off you just proved this beyond a reasonable doubt: from Frederik for those two slow to know what quotes are,"The US has an illiterate, poorly-educated population with a large diffentiation between the high a low classes..." I can rest my case on that point, obviously.

I could refer you to several books there, you head up the ass idiot, but I rather doubt you could read them. Other than that, you know nothing about who controls your government.

What has America discoverred lately? that they can have a Constitution and ignore all of it, while protecting big business from lawsuits.
What else has been discovered by us, that is of any significance?? let's hear it, because you have never read one Journal or anything beyond a newspaper or magazine, and neither has your troll friend that you continue to exchange names with on here and try to gang up on people.

Let me guess, Raz and Grayson are back sitting on their Fed jobs writing to create distractions.

I have been to both countries and know more about real Americans than you could ever know. You are just a punk sell-out working in Unkle swines camp for bread and circuses. Like I told both of you pukes before, come back when you have the guts to use your own name, and when you can read. Punk(s).

If your out there Frederik, this is the kind of religious freaks we deal with every day here. Please don't confuse them with any more facts. We have to keep typing to help them create more lies to get around the facts. My hand would get tired telling the truth with these two clowns repeating the lies for a living.

Is there room in Norway for a sane person who is busy educating the paid to be insane in our fixed noise media system of government?

Robert Kunferman · 1 year ago

Reply to Costello: I disagree with Frederik claiming that our country is run by homosexual men making worship to Muluch. We are run by British homosexuals making worship to South London economic Muluch. Go figure. Now, costello and Daniel should deny having any affiliation to our federal government before they continue to post on here.

daniel · 1 year ago

Robert:
You are an uneducated fool that confuse dialog with diatribe and offensive comments. Besides you are a bigot!!!!!! I’m not associated with the Federal Government in any way or shape. I have no idea how you came up with the idea of me being a religious freak, I am an agnostic. I guess you have a set idea that anybody who opposes your liberal views and you stereotype them the usual liberal fashion. By the way, Daniel is my real name. If you want to make a point, discuss it in a civilized manner. Slurs are not legitimate arguing points; it only shows the lack of legitimate points. You choose to dismiss others opinions by using vulgar language. As a person versed in medical knowledge, I suggest you take appropriate medication. Coprololia is not an accepted language and only defines sick minds. By the way, if you are an American, you are proving your own point of the Americans being uneducated. Your English is atrocious.
Lighten up, we exchanging ideas, or at least I am. I don’t want to ram my beliefs in your narrow mind. Accept diversity and others peoples opinion. You don’t own the truth.

BART PEREZ · 1 year ago

I think Michael Moore should move to Norway, that way if gets pregnant he can get 1 yr. paid maternity.

Robert Kunferman · 1 year ago

Reply to Daniel:

You misspelled world.

Also, I had to explain to you what Frederik stated.

Just because you have done a lot of drugs, doesn't mean that you are an expert on anything.

If you are so polite and rational, why are you taking your greed motivated frustrations out on our guest visiting from Norway?

Evidently, you don't want your money back for your waste of money on your education.

Let me guess, you are a licensed pill counter. Wow!

You need to use your full name, or you are just another BS-Artist on here trying to hide your political opinions under a false personality.

I travel more than you read, although that probably isn't saying much.

BART PEREZ · 1 year ago

Thats sound interesting, but did Michael Moore
tell you that average incomes tax rate is about
//////// 50% //////// ?

daniel · 1 year ago

Robert: you’re the most annoying person I’ve ever met. Your arguing style is actually no style. You don’t answer the issues put in front of you and make up strange stories You try to be offensive and actually comes out pathetic. You have the mind of a three year old. People that had no valid arguments use insults, sarcasm or I’ll answer line by line to prove my point.

You misspelled world.
I did not used the word “world” at all

Also, I had to explain to you what Frederik stated.
Yes???????

Just because you have done a lot of drugs, doesn't mean that you are an expert on anything.
Great line!!!! Is this meant to be an insult or you are trying to be witty? You failed in both counts!!!!

If you are so polite and rational, why are you taking your greed motivated frustrations out on our guest visiting from Norway?
Come again? Helloooooo. Anybody there?

Evidently, you don't want your money back for your waste of money on your education.
If you were a rational character, I’ll send you my CV

Let me guess, you are a licensed pill counter. Wow!
Are pill counter licensed? I didn’t know. Is this supposed to be witty too?

You need to use your full name, or you are just another BS-Artist on here trying to hide your political opinions under a false personality.
I wouldn’t have a problem to put my full name, but really it doesn’t matter. Read your sentence again. It doesn’t make any sense. You are a seriously sick puppy

I travel more than you read, although that probably isn't saying much.
I have platinum in two airlines for making more than two million miles of air travel.. About reading, I HOPE YOU READ ONE OF MY BOOKS.

Robert, sadly this will be my last communication with you. I don’t like wasting my time. So, I expect you will become very abusive in your response to this. Picture me smiling reading your ugly piece, knowing I am under your skin. I can see you coming to this site, day after day lounging for my response to continue this nonsense, to no avail.

Robert Kunferman · 1 year ago

Reply to Daniel:
You now misspelled the word use.
I agree, people who have no ability to find and analyze facts throw insults, similar to the insulting diatribe you have laid on me here.

I realize that I make a lot of women wet.
Please try to control your frustration(s). If you quit that silly pill counting job the clowns bestowed upon you, then you can get out and find some muscular man to cuddle with. Money can't replace that, so don't blame me for you spending too much time learning how to count pills, to the point that you have nothing better to do.

Sorry, but whoever certified you as smart and honest, obviously dropped the ball.

I am warning you, though. My member is smaller than average, but I make up for it in diameter.

Robert Kunferman · 1 year ago

Reply to Bart Perez:

You must know that comparing apples to oranges doesn't work. Add up you state, local, and federal taxes, not to mention all of your user fees, and you will exceed 50%.

The real difference in Norway is that they actually get something in return for their tax dollars. I have yet to see what I get.

Roger · 1 year ago

I am a first generation American, my parents moved here from Norway in 1950. I visit my family often in Norway and we are close.

Michael Moore's representation of Norway is accurate, but since the premise is to compare to the US, he has neglected some critical facts that make Norway what it is today.

1. Their vast oil holdings are used to support their generous social programs of vacation/maternity leave, retirement pay, health care, etc. Norway is an OPEC nation. Norway actually pulls their oil out of the ground (North Sea), while in the US we are not allowed to, due to environmental fears. These huge oil reserves support a tiny nation of only 4 Million people. Their population has remained consistent for at least 10 years. Norway has far superior environmental credentials than the US, but they have no problem pulling oil out of the ground and contributing to an industry that generates greenhouse gases. An odd contrast to the US. They suffer no guilt over this and no one takes them to task. I commend Norway for using its rich natural recourses to allow a high standard living for all residents, not only a few. This is not so in the oil-rich Arab nations.

2. Norway is a mono culture. Look at the video again. You will not see diversity. In the early 80's they imported a number of Pakistani refugees, but put a stop to it when crime rates increased. They have a very restrictive immigration policy, unlike the US that has a vast array of cultures. Norway's health care problems are predicable and manageable since everyone has evolved from a similar diet, gene pool, environmental influence, etc.

Michael Moore would be credible if he was more forthcoming with facts that lead to greater understanding of why a country like Norway can afford the luxury of a socialistic society.

david · 1 year ago

It's interesting to compare costs and types of surgery in different healthcare systems a bit more methodically than in Sicko. Google Answers did a nice write-up of surgery in Canada, with a particular emphasis on costs compared to the US:


Surgery Costs in US and Canada


It's worth a look, if you're interested in knowing a bit more about how healthcare operates in different countries.

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Robert Kunferman · 1 year ago

Reply to roger:

I guess you are saying that you know enough about macro economics to claim that we here in the US cannot afford medical care for our citizens? That is far from the mark or kroner.

Every country has income generating natural resources, so you only need go to the CIA Factbook on the web to learn how rich each one is.

It is really a philosophical difference in how you treat your citizens at a minimum standard, and theirs is to respect and take care of them. Not wait until an epidemic breaks out, then force tainted medicine and vaccines onto them(sorry, but that day has and is again coming).

If you want to see working healthcare plans just look at any European country, not counting the snaggle-toothed Britsh imbreds either. No need to compare to Canada, since theirs is insurance based and in its infancy. Most of those statistics are old too, and very selective to make canada's system look like it is failing. they pay about $120.00 per six months for full coverage including eye care. This is no worse of a plan than any of you have. I don't see doctors, except for emergencies and legal neccessity, so I have paid for nothing my entire life, into indurance.

Robert Kunferman · 1 year ago

Reply to the rest of you 'Mericanns:
If you need magazines, and even worse, web-based bullshit to justify your opinions on anything, then you are outright stupid. Especially, since you are not even using your real full names(the sign of a coward afraid of everything including your bosses).

This month's New York Times [monthly]Magazine has an article about how most of the world views our system versus the European's. It is a magazine, but their writers are thorough, and less full of shit than most other pubelichations.

Next thing you know, you will all be trying to compare working medical systems to Iraq and afghanistan's fledgling systems, and wondering why your insurance didn't pay your bill here at home. You all have yet to have a serious enough medical bill to have learned your lesson, and worse yet, have no imagination beyond your next birthday and next 20/20 news report for fifth graders and idiots.

Even our lousey government(both parties)admits the system is in a failed state, yet you fools keep trying to say it works because you fear change. I paid for years and used none of it, so who is counting that into the equation?

Grow a pair or go back to where ever it is you crawled out from under, because we have enough cowards and dolts in this country for uncle swine to make it easy for them to steal from us.

You spineless fools must like paying for them to be taken care of from "cradle to grave", but cannot figure out why that is. Those of you already in Unkle Swine's camp, well, just go back to sleep and go to the doctor again tommorro so you can miss some more hours at work. Nobody misses you anyway.

Run!!! There is a spider under your boss's desk.

Roger · 1 year ago

Reply to Robert Kunferman,

Were you really replying to me? I didn't see any relevance in your post to what I was talking about. I had only three points. Try to focus, I'll keep it simple with only one sentence each:

1. Norway sucks oil out of the ground and uses it to pay for wonderful social programs that lifts the overall standard of living for ALL its citizens.

2. Norway has a society with predictable and limited medical problems due to the fact that they are a mono-culture.

3. Michael Moore is not honest about item one and two above.

If you can't respond to my comments then don't say you're responding to me.

Robert Kunferman · 1 year ago

Reply to Roger:

Answer to #1, #2, and #3: Just go to the CIA Factbook websight, and even somebody who eats potatoes with salt on them(albeit still probably too spicey for him) can see that we have the income to support a socialized medical system.

I thought I made that clear.

My other point would be that having a closed society that does not allow others in, may be detrimental to a culture, since you are exposed to less diverse deseases for your auto-immune response to develop accute limitations to these deseases.

You have not been here long enough to even imagine the struggle most Americans have gone through to not have good medical care. this place was run pretty rugged for most families, just to have you come here and not realize that it created a lot of wealth that did not benefit the workers.

Use your real full name too please, since otherwise you are just another phoney piece of shit. Also, I have seen Norwegians fight before, and slapping doesn't impress me.

Geoff · 1 year ago

America's problems are so simple to solve. But when you have populace that simply wants their country to do everything for it and take care of its every need, you cannot solve the problem.Under those demands, the problems only get worse. Government is not the solution, it is part of the problem.
If we put our elected leaders on a strict budget, cut all the earmarks out (like the Alaska bridge to no where), you'd be amazed how much money would be flowing through our coffers.

But most of you people want the government to coddle you from birth to death. Anytime you expect the government to care for your every need, you lose so much. Too bad most of you have no clue how good life could be if you only held your elected leaders to some financial discipline .

Robert Kunferman · 1 year ago

A corrupt government is the problem. Not whether or not a government provides laws and services needed to run a viable and productive, fair, society. Get rid of the corruption and BS lawmaking, and you can do whatever else you like. Problem is really in all of the expensive thieving going on. By the government. Both parties.

Robert Kunferman · 1 year ago

Reply to Roger:
We are not going to make oil public, although we gasoline consumers pay nearly as much for it as those countries that don't have privatized oil.

Making ouil profits public profits is just crazy talk in America, except for Chavez in Venezuala. except in that America.

Robert Kunferman · 1 year ago

Reply to Trulte:

You must not have read the story about the paraplegic that was propped up against the dumpster in back of the Episcopalian hospital in Los Angeles because he had no medical insurance.

I would have to assume that if he could have run to the airport and could have become a Norwegian citizen he would have.

Many Republicans in this country are Episcopalians, and attend or did attend private Episcopalian colleges that do not let local police onto the campuses to extract money from and foul the criminal records of some of our future politicians, so underage drinking is tolerated and goes unreported. As do many other campus crimes that render others unelectable.

Most forienors don't have a clue just how corrupt and rotten this country is.

Get a clue, Trulte.

Robert Kunferman · 1 year ago

I will explain how corrupt insurance is in the USA, and begin by saying that there is absolutely no federal regulation of insurance(no laws).The politicians in the Dem and Repube camps all take campaign bribes to not regulate them effectively in every state. Almost all judges receive campaign contributions to make sure insurance companies don't have to pay the claims that they agreed to when they took your premiums. And some people are so dumb that they keep electing the two party system in to keep it this way. Right Josh. Republicans can't read law, history, or anything else that pertains to fact.

Here goes for the last time: Let's say you want a medical or dental procedure done. If it is billed at $4000.00, and your copay is 20%, then you must first pay $800.00(20% of 4000 is 800 for you Josh).

So what many idiots in the United States think that insurance pays the other 80% or $3200.00, but they do not. They actually pay about 1.4 times as much as you did(on average), because they have told the hospitals, your employer, your policy personel that if they want British insurance money for real, not just promises on paper, they will have to accept that or not be a provider for that medical insurance. Remember that med insurance always has limitations on where you can use it, and all of the places where your medical insurance is able to be used pay a minimum of $1000.00 per month, so they can buy you as a patient, more or less, from the insurance companies.

Having trouble following here Josh?

Now, your employers pay these thieves that buy your politicians(both parties obviously, but moreso the Dems) a premium on your behalf every month, so after the doctor pays insurance, you pay 20% of a totally arbitrary and capricious number($4000.00 in this example), and your employer pays part or all of your premium(s), then the insurance is out nothing, and even makes money off of doing almost nothing useful in this process.

Even you Josh, should be able to figure out that I am not even counting that weekly charge they have on your gross income for family plans, eyecare, the yearly deductable, etc. etc. etc., because I realize that when you get confused you call everything socialist.

So what is the problem? It looks like the media that gts advertising money from these thieves, the polticians that get their campaigns paid fr by these thieves, and the businesses that get cheap labor should be happy, and the British underwritten/re-insured get huge profits with absolutely not spending a dime of their money, except for advertising and buying politicians with.

The problem is similar to the problem with a large wasteful government. Corporations don't think that these thieves are worth paying for, so the entire burden to paying for worthless useless government workers and worthless useless insurance trash gets shifted to those people dumb enough to think our government does anything for us, and are equally dumb enough to think insurance loses money on anything. Josh, you probably think insurance loses money, when it is virtually impossible for that to happen, and quite the oposite, they don't even pay what they claim they pay.

We have more government employees per capita than any of the western European countries(Britain is not civilized, so I don't count that imbred trash as part of Europe.

If we have all of this near useless government doing nothing in return for us on federal, local, and state levels,insurance that is totally corrupt, politicians on the take with "cradle to grave total coverage", and all of this almost totally and entirely benefitting England(another nation for those geographically challenged like Josh is), then that is absolutely no resemblance of the Western European countries "socialist" system.

The piece of shit fat swine Moore has willfully ignored this corruption, and got paid well by certain people in the media camp not to tell you this.

Grow up and read for yourselves and get a calculator before you run down the streets claiming that our government is not corrupt and manipulating our health for their benefit. A thief is a thief no matter how many media outlets they control.

Most Europeans know, if not at least intuitively, how corrupt our government is, but on occasion one gets permafrost on their brain.

Robert Kunferman · 1 year ago

If you are waiting for the media clowns to tell you this, or the bought and paid for univesities to educate you on this, then you are just plain fucken stupid. It is funny that as obvoious as it should be, you people cannot figure it out that the chain of people that allowed Moore to get his videos marketed through them, would never have let even one video see the light of day if he told you just how corrupt this system is.

Start thinking or you will lose everything you own to this corruption.

Robert Kunferman · 1 year ago

Reply to rasmussen:

Does this mean that you were dumb enough to vote for Bush, and you are also dumb enough to not be able to realize that Hillary and bill have been in our government for a long time, and still have no plan on health care?

I was in Norway in the early 1980's and it did not make me so stupid that I could not recognize a liar or two when I saw them.

The people who buy and sell our politicians are not going to relinquish the insurance premiums they use to steal from Americans.

The trial lawyers love it that we have courts full of cases which are nothing more than insurance companies not wanting to honor the contracts/claims that they agreed to pay.

To make socialized medicine work, you have to regulate and control doctor's salaries, and get the do nothing insurance companies out of the most lucrative do nothing part of our health care.

That is how you solve it there, champ. Not by writing more paragraphs that say nothing.
Also, don't live in one country and vote in another. It makes you look like you are hiding from your mistakes. At least you admit to voting for an idiot.

Now, I imagine you intend to vote for another equally idiotic clown like Mutual of Obama.

Robert Kunferman · 1 year ago

I will vote for Nader. He is the only honest man in the election, and he speaks to the public like we are part of the same nation.

You bragged about voting for Bush because you think he won, and the other drivel is just silliness.

We don't need even half of the police and firemen in this country. Most do nearly nothing all day, and that is statistically proven. If you need the clowns to protect you, then you should be the one who pays for their lazy asses. Same goes for our wasteful military complex. I know I don't need them, so you will have to learn that yourself.

Anybody that the British press is making silent and unknown is someone I should vote for as well.

The socialized medical systems of germany, switzerland, France, and Scandanavian countries all work very well, and there are tons of side benefits to having that peace of mind, and fair medical treatment in place. You are not able to do formal thought process or you would have realized why they do it.

If we do what I am sure we will do, and that is make a system designed to fail from the start, and do it in a very expensive way, then we will add to the problem. That is why I am concerned. If I were in Norway, I would not be worried about it, either, but I would not spew drivel about the generalities. I posted facts here about how insurance works.

Robert Kunferman · 1 year ago

Reply to rasmussen: the reason you are irritating is that you don't even read for fact(s), then reply with dull drivel.

We have no need to buy out insurance from anybody. They have been selling paper, clogging our courts fighting not to pay(75% of all cases in civil court), and mostly cutting the benefits now that the "baby-boomers" want to use them.

Actually that is the third time I had to say that, and you repeat what other governments have done in totally non-related fashion. Read, educate yourself, then come back with a bland, boiled potatoe response.

No other country in europe would allow for an entire legal system to be created for insurance companies that don't want to pay their claims.

You are so dull witted you don't even know how your own country makes health care work. Again, for those a little slow on the uptake: no other country let's you sell paper(insurance contracts) that you do not have to pay the claims for. And none would waste taxpayers time having civil courts clogged with insurance companies trying to get out of their commitments.

Read next time, then respond, or don't at all. It is that or you are just plain daft. If the shoe fits wear it. Otherwise refute these facts that are irrefutable. Excuse the spelling. Otherwise I like Norwegians, but I doubt you are one.

Robert Kunferman · 1 year ago

Sorry Rasmussen, but I read your bit about voting for Bush, did accept and actually agree that Moores film was better than nothing, but if you heard what the remedies are for our failing healthcare plan here at home you would shit your pants.

So far this morning on the radio, I heard a clown with a doctorates degree, claim that both parties agree that the system is failing, then this democratic bootlicker started bringing it up that he thought the public needed to exercise more, and had his patseys from the lazy government swine camp call in and act like they had an original thought themselves. Obviously the plants had the same thought. Shuckerbea, a Republican candidate, claimed that, "If we did not like healthcare now, then just wait until the hippies start getting their drugs for free, and see how much that costs."

Actually, my wife and I are now researching our prospects for leaving the country, since beyond healthcare, these are the levels of debate our goofy country, that is very expensively and ineffectively run, has on every political subject. I have no more hope for us, since even the formally educated people I know, are so greedy and foolish that they fail to see the good in doing things fair and proper.

I accept the other faults, but there was a girl stabbed to death in my city that fails to allow me to protect myself, and fails to protect me, so it is expensiuve and stupid. they had a phoney SQUAT team vehicle that costs the city 1.5 million dollars there at the scene of the crime when the girl was killed in her apartment just 2 blocks from the precinct headquarters.

Al show and no go is how you may want to say the shows are run here. The SQUAT team is unnecessary, as is the stupid expensive command center, but most of all, none of it would be necessary if they just had social services that provided housing, food, and medical care. And if it did happen, then it would be a lot easier to find the guy and prevent it, if we did not have such waste in the government that we create more problems than we solve.

I have seen enough of this stupid monkey show, and I am old enough to appreciate peace of mind.

Tak

Robert Kunferman · 1 year ago

People who work for a living, like construction workers and delivery men/women already excercise all day, and I think they still get sick. this is how they refuse to listen to anybody, and can easily find lazy democratic party and republican party swine to create silly insulting distractions from the facts. Actually, this is mostly the democratic party doing this, since Mutual of Obama receives a ton of money from insurance and the East hill gangs of boston the insurance capital of America.

John Little · 1 year ago

Message to Robert Kunferman,

Take a chill pill and relax. You seemed hell-bent on debating people whether they agree with you or not. I'm Californian with ancestral roots in Norway. I saw Moore's video on it, and it describes exactly what I know about my ancestral roots. Norway's a beautiful country, just look at the conservative American who's been living there for 7 years and can do nothing but praise the place.
The Republicrats will never be able to achieve such a high level of social justice. Their mantra is based on a class system where the majority are bred to be the slaves of the few. Norway is way beyond that. Actually, all of Scandinavia is way beyond that.

Instead of fomenting nonexistent differences and antagonistic debate, why not embrace what they've achieved and spread the good word. Those who opposed the Republicrats' totalitarian regime of class warfare need to unite and speak with a common voice for a common good brought about through a common goal.

Let's face it, Norway kicks derriere. Their pizzas soock though. Don't order a pizza there. But the rest is fantastic. I'm from the Olden family north of Trondheim and proud to be able to call Norway my ancestral home.

Robert Kunferman · 1 year ago

Reply to John Little:
I never said in the least bit that I don't like Norwegians, except when I ordered a hamburger and got a ham burger. Also the meat in brown sauce scared me when nobody knew what the meat was.

I trained at the Jaegerschool in Trondem, and still like it there, so you must have read me wrong. Also all of my wife's relatives are Norwegian.

I also remember the Lingenkluben., so your not correct in your assessment.

Moores film did not even touch the tip of the iceburg of pure corruption, and I am correct in telling you that if he had, his film would have never seen the light of day.

Mutual of Obamas largest campaign contributors are and will continue to be insurance companies who will make our medical system totally useless to many in states like mine.

My state of Wisconsin ranks 38th in medical care already, and 40th economically. Our mothers both live here, so we feel very bad about leaving and staying. California is a much richer state, so you can relax more.

Moore's film was much better than anything on 60 minutes, PBS, and 20/20, so he is at least not on the insurance company payrole like these others, but it really did not show just how systemically corrupt our government is.

Otherwise, I am a fan of European government's logical approach and already apologized to Rasmussen.

Tak for day.

Robert Kunferman · 1 year ago

Thank you Rasmussen:
Just for the sake of argument, which is almost always free, the "crazy lawsuits" you refer to are mostly just media exagerations. Like the Mcdonald's case, a case that even some trial lawyers did not like. The woman got less than $60,000, despite the media focused and favored story of $600,000 the jury awarded her. that covered her expenses, and wasn't worth the headache. Had they just admitted their role in it and offered to pay for her medical, it would have been resolved.
We have a lot of trial lawyers here, and they are kept in play by our lack of civil rights and fair play. The medical costs, lost wages, and all other matters of expense add up very quickly in these lawsuits because of high doctor wages, that never get paid in full, nor does the lost wages, and it is always a "Merchant of Venice" scenario as the "cut the baby in half" rather than doing the law. Everybody loses these days, except the lawyers. And insurance has nothing to lose on a big claim by defending it.

For the most part, it is all so simple and logical that even a caveman could figure it out, but for some reason they are able to distract our population with a ghecko or two, and their goes my rights and wallet as well.

It's good to hear from the world. I am no longer in attack mode.

Alex · 1 year ago

those people can't handle the truth. jealousy!!!

Norway here I come in 2012!

Robert Kunferman · 1 year ago

Just vote the two party system out, and we can go back and prosecute these clowns for their crimes. They are stealing from you, and selling our rights to the British. The media is run by foreignors, and the economy is now based on printed money. How about that deal with the pork ban? These fuckers cannot imagine a world where politicians are not bought and paid for by foreignors, and American traitors.

They will give you nothing but fake distractions, and threaten you with cheap imported labor.

This is the absolute worst part of all of this: Our government, one example = Bill Frist, have been poisoning our citizens with the intention of making the British tons of money, and to enhance our physician's pocketbooks, as well as all of the dishonest doctors at Universities that benefit from research money to claim they are fighting disease. Most of this is now being done in secret, so there is no way to follow-up on any of it. They are spraying food crops destined for U.S. markets(Dyncorp) with paraquat, which will most certainly cause mutations/cancer. Nobody at any University will say anything about any of it, because their grant money comes from Unkle Swine, as does their loans for idiots to attend medical school for ten times what it is worth.

Simply put, we have a government that is run entirely on dishonesty and corruption, and we are getting stiffed with the bills for all of the problems they intentionally create. Then they will put dullards and foreinors at the head of the class to tell us that it is all good. Go figure.

Sandy Zeleznik · 1 year ago

It's amazing how the American media lies!!! I'm from Canada and we are very lucky to have universal health care. It is a business in the US and it's sad that if you have cancer and denied ,you could die or be bankrupt forever! We get care right away. We have some flaws but not when it comes to emergencies!!!

Aztec1977 · 1 year ago

Yeah, it's all true but what is not being said is who puts the republicans in office in the first place? Why do we even do it? We know their agenda by now or are the majority of people just stupid? There must be a lot of repubilicans in this country to have a constant majority in Washington. But, I know a lot of people either don't vote because they don't care!!! And there's a lot of people who just don't care about anything that might make sense...I know, I have a family full of mindless, pervert republicans who care a a lot about money and sex and not much else. That's all there is to it you idiot republicans.

glbrt · 1 year ago

MOORE CAN BE GLIB -WORKING CLASS SMARMY.

BUT HE DOES MAKE SOME REAL POINTS HERE.

--AS FOR CANADA -THEY SHOULD -ONCE N' FOR ALL
-LET QUEBEC GO AND MERGE WITH THE US. 16 VOTES
IN THE US SENATE -MAYBE INTRO A HEALTH PLAN.

-THINK ABOUT IT. SEEMS OBVIOUS.

MIGHT ALSO ADD -4 OF THE 9/11 TERRORISTS WERE HARBORED -AND CAME DOWN THROUGH CANADA. HOW
MANY MORE REMAIN UP THERE DORMANT? -WHO KNOWS

Fr&#248;ya · 1 year ago

I admit Norway may not be perfect. We in Norway complain alot, people always do, no matter how good you got it, but when you compare Norway to most other countries, well then i'm glad to be a norwegian citizen, and for some of uou, its important to remember that Norway is pretty young as an independent state, we have a few things yet to figure out, but so far i'm satisfied with how things are. number ONE country to live in:)

Erika · 1 year ago

More like Snoreway!

Robert Kunferman · 1 year ago

I hate to say i told yopu all so, but......
The money that the insurance freaks from Britain have been stealing from us by selling paper for everythiong from auto to mortgages has been taken out of the country, and all of the insurance premiums we have been paying for health care has also been taken out of the country.

The skumbag government swine that allowed this knew it was happening, took their bribes, and got rich letting the British steal from us blind.

Now the FBI has the job of white-washing it for all of the dummies that believe that they represent Americans rather than foriegn interests.

Vote both parties out or we will pay again.

Paul Revere

Robert Kunferman · 1 year ago

Hey Fierce norse semi-fertility god:

Don't procreate.

We Americans forgot how to be Americans right after we figured it out that even after having only 2% unemployment, we were still unable to pay for all of the thief pigs at the trough in our state and local governments.

The majority of paronoid Americans are in the government worried about being protected by Homerland Security, since they are the only ones being protected.

Let me cum to Norway and breed for awhile, please. I am reasonably good breeding stock(or I have been told this anyway), and stamina is my mainstay.

I don't know why I am writing this but for the sake of needing a place to hide from a government that does not want me to procreate.
Godspeed you Norske. Godspeed you.

sdghg · 1 year ago

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The story of the various Detective are listed, is a comic part.
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Robert Kunferman · 1 year ago

Reply to XTV and his crazy mind:

Autoworkers do not make $58.00 per hour. As a matter of fact, the new auto workers coming in the door since 2006, will make about $11.00 per hour for the three years it takes for them to be Journeymen or full-scale waged. By the way, this concession was made way back in the last contract, so even before the official failures of these companies, and the Senate forceing Unions to make more concessions. Another easy to find fact for dishonest tidbitters is this: These new workers will never make the $17.00 per hour, or anywhere near that wage, or ever make what a 1991 journeyman autoworker got paid. That 1991 wage was about $17.00/hr pay and it required you to work ten hour days, so you worked the equivelent of 38 years(by the hours) to collect your 30 year pension.

Not even the maintenance men(highest pay under the contract) make $25.00 per hour, so your not even half right. You also fail to realize that unlike you, these guys work for a living. You sit around, possibly, possibly, putting in hours. You certainly don't actually work or produce anything other than Bullshit.

Robert Kunferman · 1 year ago

Reply to Norge:
That story you tell is from the phonie British run press, and it is not true. That being said, the rest of your point is well taken. Don't get into the business of playing along with media lies about our feeble judicial system or the phony environmental concerns. This inaccurate portrayal of foreinors interpretation about US government policies will be used over and over again to discredit you to the ignorrant Americans that watch British run TV, like XTV here.

If you keep it honest about the environment and our social shortcomings, then we can correct problems without as much confusion. Our government already has no plans whatsoever to correct any problems, but they intend to keep all sorts of confusion going while they buy votes with our tax dollars.

Better to tell us what it is like to live in a civilized country. Then let the people who do read(very few here read for fact)in the US, decide which is better.

The lawsuits you are speaking of go nowhere, Some are brought by lawyers, but they get gas and golf money, and the client gets jail-time. We have two thirds of the worlds lawyers here in the US. Nobody in either party plans to change that or limit the confusion they create. Not writing fair and effective laws is big business and it pays politicians well to keep it that way.
Godspeed