Why on earth should Clear Channel post misinformation on a billboard?
I'm glad Clear Channel has taken a moral stand on anti-Wal-Mart lies and fabrications.
jgilliam
· 4 years ago
Clear Channel's entire business is posting misinformation. It's called advertising!
They're just not sure how to handle the truth every now and then.
Sickofspin
· 4 years ago
“Wal-Mart: Killing Local Businesses One Main Street at a Time,” is simply not an accurate thing to say.
The references stated don't even offer any proof that Wal-Mart kills local business.
There are no states facts, no correlation in respect to the claim. Yet blame is put on Wal-Mart without a basis in facts.
From the PBS source:
'When any business, large or small, closes, there are countless reasons. Online shopping, regional malls, lack of good customer service in some cases possibly, shopping hours, some stores aren't open Sunday, they close at 5 PM during the week when most people are still at work. So if we are placing blame on a store's closure, let's look at the facts instead of relying on emotion and fear.'
Keith Morris, Community Relations Manager for Wal-Mart, Inc.
Before you anti-wal-marters react in knee jerk fashion to automatically disqualify Mr. Morris' remarks simply because he is a Wal-Mart employee, perhaps you should try to show just how Wal-Mart has ineed put local businesses out of business instead of just saying, 'because AWM leaders say so'. I say you can't. H&H; was a blatant lie, so try again.
Tom
· 4 years ago
Whatever you say Sicko! Keep repeating your lies long enough and maybe you'll convince one other person besides yourself that what you say has any merit at all.
By the way, have you seen Mr. Greenwald's film yet? I can't help but notice how you keep critiquing it, yet you haven't seen it. One of your earlier posts erroneously referred to something appearing in the "tease trailer" for the movie, but wasn't in the film itself. Just exactly who is feeding you your "facts?"
Tom Boese Field Producer - Wisconsin Brave New Films
Sickofspin
· 4 years ago
Tom,
Why didn't you mention exactly, what the erroneous 'something' was then?
Tom
· 4 years ago
Sicko: Get it right! I never said there was anything "erroneous", I said YOU were erroneous--there's a big difference!
Tom Boese Field Producer - Wisconsin Brave New Films
Sickofspin
· 4 years ago
Tom,
That you still can't seem to point to this supposed error is noted.
Kathy
· 4 years ago
There have been many studies done at the local level that show Wal-Mart hurts local economies. Check out the Business Alliance for Local Living Economies to catch a few of those studies and then from there start googling.
Wal-Mart has already been caught violating child labor laws, locking people into their stores after hours, etc. If they feel so confident they are above reproach, then why do they worry about a single billboard?
On a side note, I sent an e-mail to Mr. Sadler and it got bounced back to me twice. My friends had their e-mails bounced back too. The message we received was: Unable to deliver message to the following recipients, due to being unable to connect successfully to the destination mail server. BobSadler@clearchannel.com
Is Mr. Sadler afraid to face criticism? Is that how corporate America treats taxpayers who scrape together money for a billboard?
Sickofspin
· 4 years ago
Kathy wrote: "There have been many studies done at the local level that show Wal-Mart hurts local economies."
Such as? Can you show anything credible? Anything put forth so far are one-sided, that is they only show business loss and fail to show business gain for proper contrast. Further, these studies do not properly correlate loss due to a Wal-Mart moving in.
I too can come up with a 'study' that shows a list of Mom & Pop restaurants that have gone out of business since January 2000. Then I can put up a list showing the number of the chain, 'Applebees Neighborhood Restaurant Grill & Bar' eateries going up since January 2000...... Throw in a loosely tied map and there, now I have a 'study' that claims Applebees as 'cause' for the demise of Mom & Pop restaurants. There's no real rhyme or reason to it, no direct correlation, only a shared timeline.
thegmanifesto
· 4 years ago
clear channel and Wal-mart are hell on earth......
Alex
· 3 years ago
I have more money to spend on other goods and services. This money is funded by the savings I get by shopping at Walmart. This is positive economic impact.
Walmart employs many people. If they didn't want to work there then they don't have to. Go work somewhere else. They employ more people than were employed by the smaller less competitive "main st." stores. This is a positive economic impact.
Capitalism works. If they offered inferior products at inferior price points they would not be in business. Who the hell do you think keeps Walmart in business. You and I. Lots of people shop there. Truth be known, I bet a lot of the customers used to work at Bill's Five and DIme in Topeka.
JoeSmoe
· 3 years ago
The mom-and-pop stores that Wal-Mart puts out of business sucked in the first place. That's why they were put out of business. I don't see that as a bad thing.
I know that I was personally very happy as a young boy when Wal-Mart came to our small town. Did I care that a few crappy mom-and-pop stores went out of business? Of course not, because we barely used them anyway. Now it just meant that we didn't have to travel 20 miles to a bigger town to be able to get basic goods. And our tax dollars stayed in our own town instead of migrating to the larger town 20 miles away.
guest
· 3 years ago
Actaully, Wal-Mart has never put anyone out of business. Competing stores put themselves out of business. Only the owners of these stores make the decision whether or not to close. Sometimes, they decide to close because business is bad because they are overcharging for goods and provide poor service (such as very limited hours).
guest
· 3 years ago
This blog item claims that Clear Channel is supressing speech and censoring. This is impossible: CC is merely exericising free speech. It is free to put anything on its billboards, just as the "New York Times" is free to put anything it wants to on its own front page.
The fact that they refuse to cave in to others' demands to tell lies on their billboards, aside from being a civically-responsible thing, is part of their rights.
If you feel that CC MUST put ads for slanderous hate movies on its billboards, then you should allow the company named Wal-Mart to control the content of your anti-Wal-Mart movies. Same thing? Exactly.
guest
· 3 years ago
from jj: "Clear Channel's entire business is posting misinformation. It's called advertising! "
Do you know facts about Clear Channel and advertising? First, the company's main business is managing radio stations. Second, advertising is not about misinformation. Those who lie in ads often get sued.
False advertising is destructive, anyway: the backlash from fooling someone with an advert really works to hurt promotion of a product.
Kirby L. Wallace
· 3 years ago
"Clear Channel executives are entitled to their own political views, but the company must not be allowed to suppress views that conflict with right-wing ideology on its billboards. Billboards are a public media.
This is nothing but group-think, socialist and fascist nonsense.
To begin with, billboards are NOT a "public" media. They are placed in public places, but they are PRIVATE property. A public media would be something funded by the public - such as NPR Radio, PBS Television (think for a moment what the P stands for in both NPR and PBS), or the Library of Congress if you would care to consider it a media source.
To say that someone has no right to use their private property in such a way, or in any way that suits them, and moreover, should actually be prevented from doing so is just plain communist.
When you combine the group-think mentality of Labour Unions (such as are behind this and other similar movements) with the police power of an ever more increasingly group-think government, the impending human disaster that it wreaks is unavoidable.
This sort of mentality is not destroying America - it has already destroyed it.
Kirby L. Wallace
· 3 years ago
Theg: "...clear channel and Wal-mart are hell on earth......"
Well, I guess it MUST be true then. I mean, after all, you did say it. So it must be true.
Sheesh!
Kirby L. Wallace
· 3 years ago
Yo, Tom...
What's the difference between "you erroneously said something" and "I never said there was anything "erroneous"?
"I said YOU were erroneous--there's a big difference!"
How can this guy BE erroneous, without having said some erroneous THING?
I just don't see this "big difference" you are talking about.
This looks to me like a dodge away from having to make an answer for yourself.
The usual response of a well-trained liberal, group-think mind. Fling poop and then say, "What? I don't smell anything?"
Same sort of mentality that take a person's name or nick and makes a mockery of it without any real reason to do so.
All Comments
I'm glad Clear Channel has taken a moral stand on anti-Wal-Mart lies and fabrications.
They're just not sure how to handle the truth every now and then.
The references stated don't even offer any proof that Wal-Mart kills local business.
There are no states facts, no correlation in respect to the claim. Yet blame is put on Wal-Mart without a basis in facts.
From the PBS source:
'When any business, large or small, closes, there are countless reasons. Online shopping, regional malls, lack of good customer service in some cases possibly, shopping hours, some stores aren't open Sunday, they close at 5 PM during the week when most people are still at work. So if we are placing blame on a store's closure, let's look at the facts instead of relying on emotion and fear.'
Keith Morris, Community Relations Manager for Wal-Mart, Inc.
Before you anti-wal-marters react in knee jerk fashion to automatically disqualify Mr. Morris' remarks simply because he is a Wal-Mart employee, perhaps you should try to show just how Wal-Mart has ineed put local businesses out of business instead of just saying, 'because AWM leaders say so'. I say you can't. H&H; was a blatant lie, so try again.
By the way, have you seen Mr. Greenwald's film yet? I can't help but notice how you keep critiquing it, yet you haven't seen it. One of your earlier posts erroneously referred to something appearing in the "tease trailer" for the movie, but wasn't in the film itself. Just exactly who is feeding you your "facts?"
Tom Boese
Field Producer - Wisconsin
Brave New Films
Why didn't you mention exactly, what the erroneous 'something' was then?
Tom Boese
Field Producer - Wisconsin
Brave New Films
That you still can't seem to point to this supposed error is noted.
Wal-Mart has already been caught violating child labor laws, locking people into their stores after hours, etc. If they feel so confident they are above reproach, then why do they worry about a single billboard?
On a side note, I sent an e-mail to Mr. Sadler and it got bounced back to me twice. My friends had their e-mails bounced back too. The message we received was: Unable to deliver message to the following recipients, due to being unable to connect successfully to the destination mail server. BobSadler@clearchannel.com
Is Mr. Sadler afraid to face criticism? Is that how corporate America treats taxpayers who scrape together money for a billboard?
Such as? Can you show anything credible? Anything put forth so far are one-sided, that is they only show business loss and fail to show business gain for proper contrast. Further, these studies do not properly correlate loss due to a Wal-Mart moving in.
I too can come up with a 'study' that shows a list of Mom & Pop restaurants that have gone out of business since January 2000. Then I can put up a list showing the number of the chain, 'Applebees Neighborhood Restaurant Grill & Bar' eateries going up since January 2000...... Throw in a loosely tied map and there, now I have a 'study' that claims Applebees as 'cause' for the demise of Mom & Pop restaurants. There's no real rhyme or reason to it, no direct correlation, only a shared timeline.
Walmart employs many people. If they didn't want to work there then they don't have to. Go work somewhere else. They employ more people than were employed by the smaller less competitive "main st." stores. This is a positive economic impact.
Capitalism works. If they offered inferior products at inferior price points they would not be in business. Who the hell do you think keeps Walmart in business. You and I. Lots of people shop there. Truth be known, I bet a lot of the customers used to work at Bill's Five and DIme in Topeka.
I know that I was personally very happy as a young boy when Wal-Mart came to our small town. Did I care that a few crappy mom-and-pop stores went out of business? Of course not, because we barely used them anyway. Now it just meant that we didn't have to travel 20 miles to a bigger town to be able to get basic goods. And our tax dollars stayed in our own town instead of migrating to the larger town 20 miles away.
The fact that they refuse to cave in to others' demands to tell lies on their billboards, aside from being a civically-responsible thing, is part of their rights.
If you feel that CC MUST put ads for slanderous hate movies on its billboards, then you should allow the company named Wal-Mart to control the content of your anti-Wal-Mart movies. Same thing? Exactly.
Do you know facts about Clear Channel and advertising? First, the company's main business is managing radio stations. Second, advertising is not about misinformation. Those who lie in ads often get sued.
False advertising is destructive, anyway: the backlash from fooling someone with an advert really works to hurt promotion of a product.
This is nothing but group-think, socialist and fascist nonsense.
To begin with, billboards are NOT a "public" media. They are placed in public places, but they are PRIVATE property. A public media would be something funded by the public - such as NPR Radio, PBS Television (think for a moment what the P stands for in both NPR and PBS), or the Library of Congress if you would care to consider it a media source.
To say that someone has no right to use their private property in such a way, or in any way that suits them, and moreover, should actually be prevented from doing so is just plain communist.
When you combine the group-think mentality of Labour Unions (such as are behind this and other similar movements) with the police power of an ever more increasingly group-think government, the impending human disaster that it wreaks is unavoidable.
This sort of mentality is not destroying America - it has already destroyed it.
Well, I guess it MUST be true then. I mean, after all, you did say it. So it must be true.
Sheesh!
What's the difference between "you erroneously said something" and "I never said there was anything "erroneous"?
"I said YOU were erroneous--there's a big difference!"
How can this guy BE erroneous, without having said some erroneous THING?
I just don't see this "big difference" you are talking about.
This looks to me like a dodge away from having to make an answer for yourself.
The usual response of a well-trained liberal, group-think mind. Fling poop and then say, "What? I don't smell anything?"
Same sort of mentality that take a person's name or nick and makes a mockery of it without any real reason to do so.